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this was common sense back then and I have no idea how things turned out like this... thank you for saying something that should be the obvious to everyone!

I totally agree, some readers literally get aggressive if I even comment something like this, like chill gang it's not that hard to differentiate fantasy and reality

They really be coming to advocate morals and ethics for lines on a page. Intentionally interacting with content they KNOW they don't like and harassing normal people who can differentiate between lines on a page and real life xD

Exactly, they're out for blood HAHAHA

BC PSYCHOLOGICAL DOESN’T MEAN IT HAS TO HAVE RAPE IN IT!

Jesus fucking CHRIST when will you dumb fucks get that thru your skull???? You can have psychological without having to make your characters be brutally raped/abused by other NPCS, hell even the ML. That’s not what the fans wanna see.

when will you dumb fucks stop acting like you are the moral police prescribing what others should watch. This is a work of fiction - no actual people were harmed in the drawings.
You have no right to decide what to CENSOR and what we should be ALLOWED to watch.
Its not like anyone is forcing you to read this or dictating what you should like and read. So what gives you the right?

Just FUCK RIGHT OFF

BITCH what???

See, why am I surprised that there’s this many pseudo-rapists on the internet?? It’s the internet for fuck sake!!

Leah because I’m the moral police because I would rather read someone without the rape, SA, entrapment, and manipulation to control come into play!! Awesome, I’ll remember that fact the next time one of these authors decide that putting child porn into their work is ok! Since rape just can’t be that bad, and everyone should just shut up and get overrrr itttt!!!

it doesn't have to but this does. get the fuck over it. why are you assuming they're writing it for you to read? and you're acting as if you're being held hostage .... girl you're the one who chooses what to consume. are you incompetent?

you're invading a space that's not for you and whimper "why's it not for me". psychologicals feature all sorts of fucked up shit. this is clearly not your psychological. if you can't handle it, sing off. you're a ball of ignorance and entitlement.

You can get the fuck off my dick too. I don’t need two bumbling whores trying to attack ME bc I said that rape shouldn’t be the norm in romance media, much less the gay space of it all. There’s already too much fuck shit going on period, I’d really rather not see in my fictional world too.

Sorry I don’t slurp rape content down with a a straw, and no where did I say I didn’t like psychological. You numb brains only think with what fucked up shit you want in your story— give me a break. No one is acting mighty, but I’m damn sure not gonna leave my thoughts at the door.

I was born with a brain, and I’m going to fucking use it.

Clearly not if you can’t see that the summary explicitly states this type of behavior. Don’t like angst and trauma in stories, then DON’T read it. Really not that hard of a concept! Not everyone wants to consume fluff! We like variety and that means real world issues into stories. It adds ACTUAL depth and frustration, is that the only way? No. But it is a way.

Oh fuck your self with a chainsaw and see how it feels and broadcast it to the whole world. Thank you!!!!

With one quick look at your reading history it appears you have questionable tastes as well. Don’t be throwing stones with a glass house. Also quit acting like a child. Disgusting behavior from you. Clearly you are having a mental breakdown. I’m lowkey thinking I should call services to report this breakdown. Especially with how comfortable you feel speaking to people like this.

Zzzzzzz snoozeeeeeee im snoring!!!

I think it’s funny that they are acting like the moral police but just earlier today she was commenting on some manga called R/Studio where it was clearly against his will but yet held interest in the style. Even their reading list would be considered questionable to some (づ￣ ³￣)づ

GIRL U FOUND ME AND WENT THRU MY COMMENTS LMFAO I asked a genuine question abt the art style, no way in hell I read it. Thanks for looking thru my account tho I love all my fans

With a click of a button. Not like your account and comments are linked or anything. ╮(￣▽￣)╭ but I’m happy I helped you with that discovery.

I totally agree with you. Recently many yaoi authors make so common and they make stories in such a way that the victims would fall in love with their perpetrators. Its rare to see a good psychological with no

Mmkay sweetie bye bye!!

A lot of fluffy manhwa's have these cute pretty childlike little MC who barely look legal. That is intentional. A lot of others have violence and romanticize crime and mafia.
I cannot handle black flags - but you know what - I avoid reading them and if I do I dont complain and preach that people shouldnt read them, and they should not be written.

Unlike you - most of us who read this type of manhwa arent horrified because we can separate reality and fiction. If you think reading this influences us and makes us rapists then you have problems.


There are pedophilies in real life. That is where we should direct attention and anger. Epstein trafficked children to entrap those in power who govern us -and its likely he was a Mossad agent and all this was sanctioned by israel. This is more horrific then a drawing. The real world is where we should be focusing our attention and fighting rape, pedophiles, crime - that is where damage is being done.

SILVER IYSM I COULD KISS YOU. Thank YOU! Like these braindead maggots are acting like psychological = rape to love stories. NO, and I wish the authors would realize that’s not what the fans want to see!! Victims don’t fall in love with their perpetrators, and if they do it’s unhealthy and they’re recommended to LEAVE! No one wants to stay with their rapists, and I sure as hell don’t want to see that either. Silver, thank you. Seriously from the bottom of my heart

You’re talking to someone who already fucking knows that. I’m not a dull blade, and I’m sure as hell not clueless about what the fuck goes on in real life. I live in it wtf.

The problem isn’t the fact that people enjoy psychological stories, no no no! I love a good psych! What I don’t love is rape—what I also don’t love is people like you and the others telling people who wish authors would get a grip in their writing and tell their stories in a logical way and not make their characters a rape love story. If the character is SA’d in the past and it’s a reason to their actions, such as fear of intimacy, or hyper sexuality then I’m not going to BASH the writing. But don’t think for a SECOND that I’m going to just ignore the gut feeling I get when I see these characters get raped and then they get all lovey dovey 20 chapters later like the ML or wtv had a change of heart.

I’ve read too many stories where they throw it at you like a dart and then you’re stuck on the dartboard all of a sudden. Pls pls plssssssssss open your eyes and realize we want psychological with ZERO, NADA rape between the two main characters. Thank you for listening to my Ted talk. I’m done trying to reason with you people genuinely.

Ok, I know it sounds bad but honestly the rape and psychological torture Knox goes through is very necessary to the plot, as someone who is reading the novel and has read the raws leading up to Knox’s start of his revenge and breaking point.

Could the scenes have been less explicit? Yes. Would the impact be the same? No.

It is definitely wrong and messed up, but this story actually does it well. I think most people hate these psychological that have rape in it because of how it is romanticized and there are little consequences. But in this, the rape genuinely haunts Knox, and slowly breaks him down, which builds to the angst and tension in the novel/raws. It treats this torture has actual torture, and does not turn it into love. The love he has and why he endures is because of the guilt he feels, and once he feels he has endured enough and repaid, he tries to kill himself.

While I do believe that Khalid could have had more punishment in the end, ultimately they portrayal the fall out and trauma very well.

Finally, the ending is not happy. Knox is forever haunted by the torture he went through, even after enacting revenge. He does not really end up with Khalid romantically, rather he keeps him like a guard dog. It’s toxic, but I believe he stays alive because he remains loyal post-reveal, and also because of their past together.

...you're the one who started attacking people lol you could've just not been so aggresive to start with

I gave the same energy back. You can’t expect not to get what you dish out.

I could kiss ya, thank you for explaining it like a decent human fucking being. I now understand the backstory and how the severity of the topics affect the plot. That’s all I’m literally trying to explain. Romanticized rape sucks :/

OP made a non-offensive comment and you called them a dumb fuck for it (first reply of thread...)

Same, what I did was skip to chapter 97 in the novel because I know I can’t stomach it. The revenge is satisfying tho, should’ve been worse based on what I’ve read in the spoilers. Although I know Knox has a lot of trauma and will never fully heal…I just hope the best for him :(

exactly, then they act like they were a victim or sum

I think that there should be a rape tag or noncon tag. I can sympathise as I agree the tags are not sufficient.

But I dont think you can censor drawings and imagination. I have more of a problem with porn that exploits actors, and that influences what people think is normal sexual behaviour. I just dont watch porn.

These manhwa stories are just fantasies. Do you know that the most common fantasy for most woman is "rape fantasy". This is a fact. It does not mean any woman wants to get raped or wants to rape o will become a rapist. Manga is fiction and fantasy - and we shouldnt be looking to censor. Maybe make it easier for people to avoid such stories. And educate people on what is acceptable.

I dont understand this but there are also woman who are rape survivors and feel comfortable exploring these stories.

Now that I am more regulated (lol) let me respond. This is not romance media, it's psychological media. Why are you so aversed by the idea of rape in fiction? What do you want to see in a psychological?

But regardless of the answers, takes like we should remove anything that makes us uncomfortable in fiction are counterproductive. We can't remove the representation of human atrocities; misogyny, manipulation, gaslighting aggression, femicides, SA, DV, war, murder, human trafficking, child labour, plagues, exploitation of the poor, etc. altogether from our fictional media because then we will be left with nothing to critically consider, consume, redistribute. Nothing to witness and sit in the discomfort of, as we should, nothing to process and discuss. We can't remove the reality from our fiction and limit it to whatever you consider to be a "good psychological". Through these stories you gain the perspective of a perpetrator and a victim in a setting where nobody is being harmed but you're still gaining knowledge. And you gain new perspectives of different dynamics and what said dynamics mean for the parties involved individually.

(Small parenthesis here, generally speaking) Even amongst the people who can handle or want to read about uncomfortable topics, you need to possess the cognitive maturity to understand it. I see a lot of content being irrationally misunderstood and as a result a false narrative that leads to the mindset of 'remove this from fiction' being spread. For example, when you see "romanticised rape" (which is a common cause of outburst that I see), think, whose perspective are we seeing it from? The perpetrator? If its the victim, at what point in the story does this rose filter appear? after the victim's been mentally gaslit and coerced? maybe both? Am I projecting my own inability to distinguish the dangerous nature of rape or my own bias when I blame the author for creating something like that or do I actually have a point when I sense malicious intent? Even amongst the ones who want to read about these things, there's a reason why mature content is meant to be consumed by adults.

Lastly, I didn't imply that you don't like psychologicals. I said psychologicals also have rape, alongside other uncomfortable things and it's absolutely fine and necessary, and you have the ability to stray if you dislike it. If you don't want to see rape in psychologicals then look for psychologicals without it instead of vilifying the ones that do have it. I can recommend you 2 of my favourite psychological shounen ais without SA, one is called "Truth or Dare" by Youmy and the other "The Eyes of Sora" by Summer. Both however include some sort of uncomfortable or triggering topics, as psychologicals have you exposed to for a reason.

Hello everyone.
This response is not only to you but to everyone.

I think there's a huge misinterpretation here on what psychological means.

Psychological refers to a series of events having a psychological effect on the mind (brain) of an individual or individuals in a literary context.

Psychological tag doesn't equate = rape in literature, or murder in literature.

Yes these events happen to be common in many works, but it doesn't correlate to that particular tag.

This is because psychological tagged book can be an autobiography of a author talking about their childhood that involved a dysfunctional family and that experience had on effect on their growth as a person (confessions of a mask by yukio Mishima). This is also psychology.

Now that is clear, I have a few points and observations to list out. First off no one is the right-"est" or wrong -"est" , even my comment is not the Ultima finale of this thread. Nor does it nullify your opinions. All I want y'all to do is to understand what is what and to hold things to a certain standard even tho it's fiction but also while doing this we don't also gate keep ideas, but we will be knowledgeable enough to know when a literary work or a Manhwa is bad in every standard without gatekeeping a tag.

1- Eliminating rape themes in any form of art is not the best way to go. However eliminating works that take advantage of rape themes to depict smut slop should be discouraged to some degree. However, smut fetishes and genre exist. It's okay to indulge in a particular smut fetish, and if so we should be able to agree when some Manhwa meets the standard of properly explored rape themes and psychological themes. By doing so we set a standard but we don't elimate the smut slop category. If it's smut ,then it's smut and we judge it by smut slop standards, but we should not uplift a story that was drawn merely to explore a niche smut theme like rape to the standards of properly constructed well written books about rape and the psychology on rape victims. This differentiation allows you to read this manhwa and also decide not to read it if it doesn't meet the standards you want because it's smut slop. And that's okay for it to be smut slop. And it's okay to understand while another person doesn't want to engage in smut slop about rape. (No one is right, no one is wrong)


2- When it comes to psychological tag on yaoi anime, Manga, Manhwa , it is okay for us to apply a certain standards to these works from our authors. Because psychological unlike guideverse or omegaverse or gameverse or Isekai.... psychological tag puts up a pretext that the characters are going to show some similarities to a human beings psychology. I don't think it's far fetched that we should hold them to a standard that if they will explore the theme of human psychology that the authors should do properly research on explicit themes like murder, rape, gaslighting, psychopathy, sociopathy et.c depending on what explicit themes they intended to include. I also don't encourage attacking one another for liking of not liking a book because a theme is not properly explored by the author or maybe a reader jus wants smut and they're getting the vibe ruined by another reader. Both readers should come to an understanding and also be able to hold authors to a certain standard when they explore themes of psychology and allude to so called human behaviors that their characters exhibit. I believe if we can hold movies to a standard, example game of thrones or breaking bad or other psychological themed movies which isn't porn, I think we can also apply those standards to Manhwa when they're not explicitly writing porn smut or pwp(porn without plot)

3 - Please consider this final suggestion, because a cliche process of writing yaoi has existed from the beginning of time doesn't mean it can't be criticized. We can still critic the works (which aren't porn smut obviously) to some standards. A good constructive criticism doesn't stop the creative juices from smut writers to stop writing smut....they should continue lol! I want good smut and you also want smut, they're not the ones we are critiquing, we are critiquing the authors who use tags like psychology, crime , historical, sci-fi etc that these authors be held to a standard so they do justice to these themes. That way we will have good books and materials released. We won't have authors who do not research and just use a reoccurring formula like they used in 80's Japanese yaoi anime where they equated being gay to mean getting raped but a guy.




Just a thought. Let's support , understand each other and encourage authors to improve either with constructive criticism or purchasing their good works only .

I appreciate your detailed response. I think a lot of problems exist because there is not enough transparency, and the existing tags are not adequate. I strongly believe there should be a tag for nc/rape themes. Then at least the reader has control over what they chose to view.


A lot of us read the comics for entertainment, escape and fantasy. Omega stories have sexual concepts like pheromones which takes free will and consent away (this varies by author). We all know what happens with the typical omega and dept story. There is most certainly a place for these real rape stories but sometimes they dont belong in the fantasy section.

Are you going to ban certain fantasies?
If you would like to have a tag for rape themes that have been romanticised or depicted unrealistically then i think it would be in the right direction. But i dont think you have the right to limit what authors and people want to read for escapism.

I get more upset when i see "chocking " being normalised during sex. Its causes brain damage and correlated to getting strokes. Others get more upset by romantisied rape. I think tagging and educating is the best resolution. We all have different trigger points.

Sometimes i wonder why noncon or rape worse than psychological "raping" somebodys mind or destroying a persons psyche. Why is noncon worse than somebody being beaten and put in a hospital or murdered? Why is violence and mafia themes glamourised.