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Further context: What the fuck is this story????? Like I actually really love the art. But WHAT in the nine hells is this plot??? vro…

LITERALLY LIKE THEY JUST KEEP COMING UP WITH MORE AND MORE BULLSHIT but its still kinda funny

LMAOO this might be the shortest comment I've seen from you

HELLLPPPP NOT ONE OF MY FOLLOWERS HHLHLDHKDGKH /silly

You have spelled my thoughts out exactly!! You're incredibly eloquent and I agree with what you have stated here. It's murky territory and honestly the story could still be done, yearning and all, without the two characters having known each other while one of them was in their youth.

We can still have the age gap and yearning without it needing to start with one of the characters as a child. It's honestly unnecessary and leads more controversial compared to just getting rid of it.

The story can still add the "history" with their relationship, just when they're older.

Hard agree with everything you’ve written.

As someone who enjoys a good age gap romance every now and then, the minutiae of this story is what’s making me arch an eyebrow.

Art is cute. And I’m glad it’s fictional, but art imitate life. It hurts my heart.

P.s. Give readers on this site grace. Their brains have not congealed yet and they lack critical reading skills. I’ll troll, but I refuse to actually be as vicious as I can be when I engage in contentious topic (pedofphilia); which is, weirdly, a topic that makes people who seem like good people act as if they don’t understand the harm this event causes to the children who experience it. Like, shouldn’t we all be against grooming and pedophilia?

* Pedophilia

I completely agree! And thank you kindly for the compliment :D

I think it’s also important to consider that the cultures these works come from do not often touch on how these situations can be harmful, so while I am not saying we should absolve the author of all wrongdoing, I do believe it is simple ignorance.

I hope someday there can be larger conversations on these things, and not have everything be so stark.

Like such here, where either people are vehemently opposed to the work, calling the readers gross. Or, the ones defending it, making it seem like there is absolutely nothing wrong with the story, and almost insinuating that any opposing views have a lack of “Reading Comprehension”, as often said…

I think it is very simple to tune a few things here to make it better.

Shuraka could be in his early twenties, yet still a very aloof, naive, but highly intelligent young adult man. Tei could be later twenties to early thirties, and in his time waging hunts against beasts, he is more jaded, serious, and grave, yet soft for Shuraka’s bright personality. Yet, he still presents hesitation to the relationship because he can not imagine someone could possibly see him as a “bride”!

Personally, I would very much enjoy that sort of start very very much. There is plenty of other ways to go about it as well, I am sure!

But anyways, enough of my yapping… Thank you again for the reply !!!

I completely get that, oh lord… I really have to remind myself to be civil at times, because similarly, I feel very strongly about the subject of pedophilia, and it’s hard to not immediately condemn anyone defending the topic which essentially normalizes it.

Even for this story, my initial reaction to the first chapters was very strong. I felt a sense of dread, though powered through to see how it was handled.

Overall, it would just be best for stories to avoid balancing on the line which ones like this often do. I hope people can understand why it’s important to point these things out, because even if it’s not the worst case, again, it desensitizes us to the concept of “a youth paired with a mature person”, even if not sexual, it can and will lead to more push on that boundary, like “small acts of affection”, which then TRULY becomes grooming… It’s just not worth it!

Alas, I suppose the biggest problem is being properly informed. When we immediately attack someone and call them a creep for liking something that is more arguably benign like this story, of course they will feel defensive and not hear anything else. That’s at least why I try my best to be cordial with these subjects, because even if some people will still disagree, and pull the “ITS FICTION” card, some may read it and actually begin to contemplate on it. It can be as simple as giving these people the tools to better understand what is and isn’t a wise depiction of a subject.

And then- that’s not even to say no one should write a story where a child is arranged to marry an adult. The thing is- the story needs to tackle the problem itself. Stories that directly address these concepts in a mature fashion and with the intent to express a message- often are some of the most powerful stories. Likely, not fit for a romance story…

But I think people also feel like the opposition to dynamics like this think we wish to censor everything that is flawed. That is not the case at all. What I personally want is just for people to be informed, and for authors to have accountability for what they write. That means the issue is entirely with the execution.

Anyways, that’s just more of my yapping… Thank you for taking the time to read and reply!! :D

Y'all call anything any everything grooming adult and child meeting n the child ended up loving the adult? Grooming. Like bruh. Yall need to chill

WHERE WERE U WHEN I WAS FUMBLING TRYING TO EXPLAIN THIS TO MY FRIENDS

Well said

No you need to wake the fuck up. It’s weird to meet a child and then have a relationship with them as soon as they’re an adult. Like you’re waiting for this children to reach the ‘adult stage’ of their youth just to justify the relationship. Ur weirdddddddd

I read your comment and it really gave me insight on the dynamic between the two. Would you recommend checking it out?? Is it really good, or could I do without reading it?

There's also the loaded question of how much moral responsibility does art hold and the intended demographic of the content.

For example not many people who read/watch hentai expect story and therefore would care less about fictional rape if all they want out of the material is some prettily penciled together images to fap to.

Conversely, if the demographic is young children, you'll have to be a little more careful and intentional of what you do include. Especially if said content is marketed as educational.

OMFG 100% AGREED. i love it when ppl can genuinely critically think and assess from a nuanced perspective <3. these days especially on the internet, many are conditioned to see everything as strictly black or white, anyone in between is taken as performative or labeled as apologists. ofc, that is to say that, there are folks out there who exploit the “grey area” to justify their own agendas or fetishes, which has unfortunately led others to treat any rational, nuanced position as endorsement
also regarding the story, i feel like BWAT took too fast to get them together, their chemistry as adults feels extremely forced and clearly rushed out. this is why many ppl have a problem w the story. tei and shuraka should've taken at least 10-15 more chps working on their relationship dynamics to create the shift where tei sees shuraka as an actual adult for who he is and not a young prince he once protected, before being intimate w e/o. the art is immaculate but the writing is lazy imo

This. As soon as we got the seen with him basically seducing shuraka into drinking fluids I was like oh my god come on, again? It's such a stupid trope next to the 'adult-child first encounter' type of shit that, well, ofc I was not surprised at all about the sick > smex trope that came as soon as they showed the panel of him having a fever in the carriage. Sure this story has a lot less concerning details as other works doing these tropes, but the whoke tropes and concepts are fully there and basically showing up one after the other by the book . It's rare for art + written personalities (even side characters) + expected future dynamic to be this good altogether tho, so in the end it's actually enough of a win to call it a gem. Sure the landmark tropes are not ideal, but A. way more messed up royal marriages have occurred irl in history and B. Again, I definitely got the vibe of it being a victorian style story if you will. It takes inspiration from both those overdone tropes and actual irl history like how very young women were married off to way older men for benefits in irl history. I liked that in this case it was done for the prince's protection moreso than just bc it benefits the kingdom. That was fresh. On that note, I'm having less a hard time with the story up till now, except YES, it was necessary to have that extra like 20 episodes imo of them actually discussing everything in the open and tei shifting his outlook about how the kid he once knrw is no more and seeing him as an adult. Even if shuraka had to work and wait longer, it would've made the whole story that much more appropriate. It's still an important thing to write in when writing more taboo stuff, even if it seems like now Shuraka's body is suffering from basically keeping his virginity for so long (I assume that's the cause of his weird nose bleed but we'll find out exactly what it is later Ig).

Nga, my guy don't even want a relationship with the kid. Seems like you read the manhwa with your eyes closed and your legs spread. Pls acquire some braincells, thanks!

THANK YOU. Finally someone with functional brain cells. You wrote it out perfectly

I just woke up… Dang!!! Thank you everyone for the kind words!!! T T I wasn’t expecting such a big response! Unfortunately can’t respond to everyone, but I truly appreciate your guy’s replies, and insight!

I would also say don’t try to engage too much with the actually weird ones- Unfortunately some people are just blindly defensive of this stuff and will not hear reason. You can lead a horse to water but you cannot make them drink…

I personally think the art itself is worth reading for. It’s not the WORST! But it isn’t the best either. If you haven’t read King’s Maker yet, I would say that one is of the same genre, but an absolute MASTERPIECE of a work. I love that one’s story to death… But yeah, I would say you could do without it, it’s really up to you!

That topic is a veryyy touchy one I would say, given the line is blurry in much cases, where content can be more crude and careless, or responsible and poised.

This is all based on my own experience- So I will not claim any of this is factually backed! But purely from what I have seen, the porn industry, for example, has lead to a number of men seeing women a “specific” way, and expectations to be very unrealistic. Then this forces women to either push back or do their best to meet those expectations. It’s very toxic.

Obviously stuff like Hentai is a bit different since, as said, it is art, and art can be astronomically more fantastical, and yet there are still cases where- like incels- there is a very real consequence for works which depict these themes.

Perhaps these people were already this way, but now these works become unifying communities for them, and that’s where it goes downhill more and more…

Personally, I used to be very against rape in fiction, but now I have become more tolerant of it, as long as the author is not trying to justify it. Maybe I became desensitized to non-con and dub-con… But generally I don’t get too upset by it now since there is a very real kink for certain people who enjoy consensual non-consent and such. There exists a form of healthy consumption.

But for me, anything related to the sexualization of children will be something I am adamantly opposed to. I don’t think there is ANY level of “healthy” consumption of child sexualization, and I don’t think it should be explored. That’s at least why in this case, I personally feel a bit off since, while this is not a huge offender, it certainly is pushing the boundary.

I don’t think I know enough to say anything too definitive on it though. I would need to properly educate myself some more on the actually reported outcomes, such as studies on demographics and how certain media may affect one’s own mortality and perception of the subject… But a very worth while topic indeed!!!

The hand AND the ability to think

funny how ppl are uncomfortable with the pedophilia and not that farmer raping a chicken hybrid

real

Same with the cow in like the first two chapters. But if you’re reading this far obviously that was not a deal breaker

Ok cvntmaxxing gtfo if weird why still here cvnt?

Somebody’s offended

truth bomb!! bash ur rotten head against a wall pls, your lovely goon material is also rape :3

didn’t rly even read it, i only saw that one panel of the chicken on dc and barfed

Suuuuuuuure you didn't read it lmao

believe what you want?? being mentally challenged is fine too

A dub/non-con kink is one thing, pedophillia is something entirely different. Holy shit

No one is saying rape should be normalised either. Be aware though- I used to heavily avoid anything depicting a lack of consent, but I realised after dating my bottom boyfriend that having a non-con kink is fine. This story itself is more dub than non too. That may be crazy and extreme to some- but it really isn’t ngl. I realised myself that having a hissy fit over it is really embarrassing. Normal adults have this kink. In the case of this work as well, it’s supposed to be light hearted, if that wasn’t obvious.

However, child sexualisation is actually disgusting. Don’t ever treat a stupid kink like it equates to that.

You gotta remember the real world exists, and internet morality isn’t the golden standard. If anything, it’s a bit elitist at times. Expecting everyone to follow your sense of right and wrong too..?

Overall, I think it should be extremely obvious that child sexualisation is a thousandfold worse.

What the fuck.

Yeah… because one is super fictional and impossible (cat girls/boys??? What does the chicken part matter?) also mentioning what I said above, dub-con is fine, get off your high horse-

while the other represents pedophilia in a way… uh yeah, people SHOULD be uncomfortable with it, even if not for the other stuff. That’s normal.

you’re using dub con in a gross generalization that’s not even remotely common irl, stop being delusional lmao. you’re so desensitized to the point that you justify literal sexual violence, i get that people enjoy that stuff but it’s unnecessary for you to label it as the norm and ignore everything else, you just look like a clown

Dub con in a gross generalization? I don’t know what you even mean by that.

Dubious consent is content which lacks a clear distinction of consent, meaning it can either be consensual or non-consensual. It is not made clear.

Non-consent is obvious in how it is more brutal and obviously rape. That can still be a kink and be fine.

Tell me how a fictional story depicting dub-con or non-con is sexual violence? The only reasons I would be de-sensitised is because unfortunately I am a victim myself.

But doesn’t it suck that I need to bring up that I am a victim of CSA to make my point matter here? No. Don’t try and tell ME that a light hearted story that doesn’t explicitly state consent is on the same level as my trauma and experience in sexual assault.

I and most people with common sense can tell this is fictional and not how you treat people or relationships in the real world.

Now, I can make this argument for child sexualization, because it differs.

When you have a kink for rape/non-con, you have the inherent arousal from the concept, but you can avoid acting on that desire, because ultimately you understand consent matters. This is how certain relationships work. Before hand- a consent to non-consent is stated, with of course, a safeword.

When you have an attraction to CHILDREN, and this is due to consumed media, while you may not ever act on this desire, it is inherently wrong and harmful to yourself to allow these desires, as it goes against the natural law of the human mind. This is an illness, not a kink. Attraction to children is always sick and should be treated.

Tell me, are people reading this comic going to go out and rape someone?

No.

Leave that up to conservative white men that try and act like model citizens, politicians, Loli/shotacons (a community which have commonly been outed for child grooming or worse. Who would have guessed…), neo-nazis that treat women like property, and so on.

Overall, I know I can’t change your mind. That’s fine though, I have said my piece. I know why my morals are how they are, because I have thoroughly explored them and communicated with others to know their unique experiences and reasons for enjoying this type of content, despite XYZ.

I will never doubt my own opinion because you think I am a clown, because I am confident that I have come to this point in my morals because I have grown, matured, and I do not see the world in black and white.

All I can say is, sorry morals differ, I guess?

I can only hope you will mature as well. Have a good day.

Fr they need help

i’m a literal victim too and i stand by what i said cuz people on the internet are desensitized unintentionally all the time, dub con is still considered rape literally because there is not clear distinction of the person reciprocating and giving consent to the others demands. also nothing lighthearted about fetish content lmfao

No no, he’s got a point. One is often a kink that can be consensual and ethical irl. Every scene can for a fact be replicated consensually irl dispite this fictional setting. The other is Child sexual content. Which in no way, shape, or form can be consensual.

There was no child sexual content tho? Like literally nowhere is a child shown in a sexual content. There is and adult version of a child character shown. Its not child porn

you’re using dubcon as a kink in a consensual setting, i wasn’t talking referring to that in the first place. i used the scenario in this story as my reference and the dubcon here is just rape

You’re right but the conversation shifted from aged up M2 to about how this character was only represented to readers as a child prior to the recent update, And how people would rightfully feel uncomfortable about such an abrupt age up and tone shift. The OG commenter tried to compare pedophilia and rape kink presented in the comments when they said that people have an issue with one but not other. My comment was merely to point out that one can be done safely and consensually. Which pedophilia cannot.

My point is that even if it weren’t represented as Dubcon it has way less negative consequences or potential it’ll be replicated in a criminal manner compared to potential pedophilia

considering how this is literally just porn and nonexistent plot, ppl are gonna eat ts up just cuz it has futa in it. no other reason

I want to just add; Please let me wife up K bro… I will keep those eggs hatching, trust… That boy makes me feel WILD.

Sorry for my downbad-ness.

Started with "Really was not into.." ended with "let me wife up K" is crazy 180° turn.

Nah fr tho, I would luv to peg k too

Bro what can I say… doesn’t help that his design is very much my type lmao. But yeah, this shit got me fucked up

Correction

Not;
“I like most toxic yaoi-“

Was supposed to just be;
“Like most toxic yaoi”

say it louder for the people in the back like cause why is everyone in the comments talking crazy (⊙…⊙ )

I thought nonce meant pedophile

it could also mean a r@pist i think

Took a big break from being on manga go, so I'm only getting back to this now. anyways.

Nonce is usually used for referring to pedos, but also can mean general sexual assailants. Overall, its a word that insults those who do sexual crimes. Ofc that depends on who you ask as well, since it is slang, therefore subjective. In this case, I mean a sexual assailant, not a pedo.