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For dear hatter, it’s only chapter 2 and chapter 6.5/11 has a little kiss scene with Sam and Nobu

Haven’t written down all the scenes for the speaker yet!

She’s the same author who wrote statistic beauty, and based off of her ex-boyfriend because she wished for him to die and get raped. So they’re not a very good person and they’re definitely mentally ill. Even if she didn’t say all that crap about her ex if anyone’s writing or drawing the most graphic rape scenes imaginable then no they’re not very normal.

Oh, well, ahem thats a bit strong.
She must have really hated her boyfriend.

omg did she say that?? what a fuck up

And to be fair, with how rampant misogyny is in Korea, many Korean women absolutely hate some men. I have done studies on it for essay and presentation. I feel like it may have come from that place, seeing how Minho is too…not that I condone it. I’m glad she didn’t take it out in real life, and took it out by drawing it (of course, still a bit scary that she based it off real person). They might be ill mentally, no denying there. I just try to refrain from diagnosing someone but there are clues.

Also, you reminded me of that story sadistic beauty BL side story. That was dark as hell. Poor Minho.

STOP SPREADING MISINFORMATION! This is NOT true!! That was all just rumors and the AUTHOR is NOT the same as Sadistic beauty, it's the same ARTIST, NOT AUTHOR!! LEARN the DIFFERENCE!!

I thought they were the same person, but it’s not just a rumor. This statistic beauty author did in fact say that about her ex-boyfriend and even the translator show proof of it. Either way like my point still stands if the artist only ever writes and actively only ever draws rape they’re definitely not normal and have some fetish.

For sure, if the only thing they constantly draw is explicit rape, there’s some underlying issues. I’ll leave it at underlying issues lol.
Fetish at best.

Thank you for the info.

No the artist is same but not the author

I like this work and I agree with you. People should be allowed to hate and dislike stuff, also to be honest as much as I love seeing juyeon face drawn this should have stayed as a novel, some things dont need adaptations.

I dont think this has to do with misogyny, cause violence towards gay males already happens inside patriarchy so female authors doing this are just perpetuating something that patriarchy endorses. It would make more sense to make a woman torturing the man here, cause male on male sexual violence is common in patriarchy speacially towards bottoms.

Oh no, of course it’s not the only factor.
I was specifically referring to the part where it’s said the author made this to take out anger (because of ex). With that specific context in mind. But you’re also right, male on male violence is rampant too, in and out of gay community.

Yep. The novel was already graphic enough.

Well I feel like she could have made a woman do it, would be more peak. This is just the average violence that exist in the yaoi genre. Male on male rape is already not taken seriously inside our society (no rape is actually). I see some people saying (not you ofc) that yaoi is a scape of women from patriarchy and I find it a bit curious cause yaoi plays extremely inside patriarchy rules of rape culture, heteronomativity and dehumanization of human relationships to a fetish for profit. Yaoi was never anti patriarchy in its history. Well that is why I stick to danmei.

Didn’t doona do it in sadistic beauty? It wasn’t brutal I think but it can be counted as rape, not that I remember much so don’t count on my words lol. Or you meant for this story specifically?

I think it’s because some just want to fetishize male on male.
And some authors see yaoi as ‘anti-patriarchal’ because it shifts violence and powering dynamics away from women and into male–male relationships, so it feels like an escape from real-world gender oppression even if the tropes are still fucked up. Yeah there’s heteronormativity, there is rape culture etc, except it’s not pointed or done towards women.

But it’s not a major factor.
Fetish is the biggest factor I think.

I mean more for this as this is a rape revenge and women are the main targets of rape. Seeing it as an escape cause it is male on male is a bit funny, cause patriarchy is the main source of male on male violence. Rape is literally used as a tool in the military and has been used for centuries towards other males. People think patriarchy is only misogyny and there is where their reading of this vast social oppression system fails. Just cause it is not towards women does not mean it is not rooted in patriarchy and this is what people do not seem to see. Patriarchy is not only violence towards women, but towards every single minority including queer men and inside it specially bottoms.

Patriarchy affects men and queer people too, you are right and yes male-on-male violence can still come from the same nasty system. I guess many think patriarchy = misogyny because the latter is the central part of it. But in the end it affects all. When people call yaoi an escape, they could mean it creates distance from their PERSONAL or major gender dynamics, not that it’s actually outside patriarchy. They aren’t fighting patriarchy then, it’s more of a short term satisfaction. Majority of the readers are women, so it may be personal rather than anti patriarchy or just a fetish.

I fear this is simply a patriarchy reflect cause women also consume a ton of hetero smut with rape. Interesting enough a lot of rape porn consumers are women.

Also people fail to understand what patriarchy really is. Patriarchy is the oldest form of oppression and different from misogyny patriarchy is also a social system where the only one allowed to thrive is the "father" or in our time the white cis het upper class men. So when women pretend queer men are not in it too I just know they are not informed enough. Yaoi is a anti censorship fetish based media, it never in its history intended to be anti misogyny, actually a lot of fujos have internalized misogyny behavior whenever a woman appears in the work they are reading.

Thank you for opening the lid of my rubbery brain and putting info in. Holy shit, maybe I live under a rock with a rock phone, but of all people I should have already known this.

But I focused too much on the misogyny factor.
And besides that, I think some women just don’t think of queer people like that, especially if they are men.

The moment they are seen a male, regardless of orientation, many will not acknowledge that they are victims too.

Well this one I have seen many times.
The woman appearing in stories, and when the author makes them the bad person. Internal misogyny sounds about right.

Also I remember you mention you read Danmei. I also prefer danmeis over comic form.

Which ones have you read? Don’t list all of course but just a few.

Ah yes, I also dont like males (I actually dislike them very much) so I will be the last one to defend them. But I usually read a lot of intersectionality feminism theories and it explains well how patriarchy is the father of all oppression systems and how oppression can happen inside opressed groups, like even tho women are a minority they can perpetuate oppression towards gay men that are also a minority and vice versa. I feel like because the world is so harsh towards women, they do not face as much criticism as men when they create and consume the same type of material as them. Like women that read shota for example. I just leart a french woman published a book where the male character violates babies, it has pics of real babies crying on it. It is true that women face the hardest part of patriarchy, but they still can be strong agents of it towards other groups, speacially cis het women.

Oh it was an enjoyable conversation, it is rare to find a balanced person to have such a chat. But it is not like I could expect less from a Xie Lian pfp.

Thank you you too!

Can you provide evidence for this claim? Thanks in advance.

the hate towards female charater is not only because of mysogyny but also because authors tend to make women powerless or weak or in need of protection (it feels disgusting that we are treated like that in real life and even in fiction) , there are many works where woman is strong but a man comes to rescue when in difficult situation and lot of wome hate that, i even got a little trauma watching anime female charaters (some harem type shit) they are purely objectifed, weak, annoying etc, so i hate when a new female is introoduced cause i feel they will become annoying(mainly anime) so they tend to hate fmale characters. but there also lot of works whre female is really respected especially in yaoi, i feel mysogyny is more observed in straight works than yaoi, and yeah i agree that many people may not feel men as victims ...

Youre taking this too seriously and it's kinda weired how youre immeadiatly call him a whore if he's not with daejun

Uh, I love whores.
He just isn’t the type to be one.
I mean, he can be.
He just isn’t.
Anyways…there’s plenty of gorgeous whores in my smut list

Thank you to the four that followed my smut list! :)

You can still shame whores and have them in your smut list. Just bc you goon to it doesnt mean you dont think it's degrading.
And that's fine If it's porn and what you get off to but i just think someone beige interested in more than one person is a very Low bar for a "whore"

Guess what I’m trying to say is that I’m not being serious. I just use that term a bit loosely, no harmful or demeaning intentions.

The term itself is degrading/derogatory but intentions aren’t.
I say whores regardless if porn or not, or sluts.

Yes, being interested in multiple people is fine.
I’m just saying MC isn’t the type to be, story wise.
Thanks for clarifying though.

And thank youu! Finally one of few I come across lets me get off to porno BLs without rambling about how THEY don’t like it.

I’m just promoting my smut list besides that. Sorry if i offended anyone with the whore or slut terms. Again I use it loosely and I can see how it sounded harsh. But in no way am I saying you’re a whore if you love multiple people. Oh no no my whole point is that MC isn’t interested in multiple (story wise).

omg i thought the sameee

Rape-just too much (don't wanna open and get traumatized again)
With wooyeon- most probably 2or 3 times(as i remember)

ikr I think it's interesting that despite both of them being conventionally good-lookinh and pretty, they end up working on the opposite ends of the entertainment industry. One of them's an escort while the other is an idol, and yet circumstances brought them together. I find it amazing how people just stumble upon each other even when it is not very plausible to begin with. Love stories that explore unique relationships like this one.