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His family literally owned slaves brother

Female. Information is scarce; it is possible that part of the family had them while he didn't—he didn't live there. That’s why flashbacks were needed.

If he's family owns them...he owns them too it's not a random ass uncle it's his immediate family

"When it finally ends, the family fortune is gone as well, leaving him with nothing but a ranch in a distant wasteland." -> it belongs to his family, in a distant land. In the first chapters, he implies that they lived in a mansion and that the ranch belonged to his father. So it's not necessarily true that it belonged to his son.

I'm crine so what do you think would have happened if they didn't lose their fortune

How the hell should I know? Maybe it was viewed from the perspective of his post-war life—set where he’d always lived—and the story wouldn't have been called that. There would have been other characters, and it wouldn't have caused such a scandal. Unfortunately, you can't tell much about the story from a single chapter—just the basics. (I don't know why Google Translate added "you"). Tell me, how would the story have unfolded if it hadn't been cancelled?

It would have been a slave x master trope babes

For heaven's sake, it was NEVER a master-slave dynamic. My English might not be perfect, but I understood—thanks in part to Google Translate—that Ezra says "I am your slave" just to provoke; the introduction says as much, too. In the chapter, Ezra also refers to "my ranch"—now, I don't know much about slavery, but since when does a slave own anything, especially in that historical context?

It doesn't matter girl it still falls under the slave x master dynamic

Can you explain this dynamic to me, exactly? Leaving aside that infamous, avoidable phrase, of course.

Sure the dynamic isn't determined by whether Ezra literally has legal ownership papers over the other character in chapter one the issue is that the romance is built on a history where one lead comes from a family that owned enslaved people and the other belongs to the group that was enslaved that power imbalance doesn't disappear just because the war ended or because the protagonist personally opposes slavery on top of that, the story immediately frames the white protagonist as the one who frees the enslaved people and establishes him as morally exceptional. That's why people call it a white savior/slave-master adjacent dynamic. It's not about whether he literally says, "You're my slave." It's about the historical relationship and the narrative framing if you remove the historical context, then yes, it isn't a slave/master story. But the author chose that historical context, so you can't separate the romance from the system it's built on.

Oops confused the names sorry Ezra the the native guy. I'm bad with names don't mind me

But perhaps that was just the foundation—the backdrop of the story—to establish the context. In the various mixed-pairing scenarios (whether realistic, fantasy, or supernatural), the "top" partner is almost always dark-skinned (side note: am I imagining things, or is the "top" in these pairings never white? Except for the guy who turns into a female and switches genders, that is). He always comes from a prominent family, and the stories are set in real-world locations—barring a few instances where the settings are fictional. My point is, you can't really classify him as a slave owner; aside from the "ending it all" aspect, we don't know exactly what he was like before. We only know about the war and the ranch inheritance—that’s it. The way I see it, the goal was to showcase the character's personality rather than portray him as someone who owned another person, given the context. Don't worry about the names.

the author tried to avoid the most obvious expressions of racism, but ended up feeding into it in the end. racism isn't always obvious acta of violence and exclusion, it can also take the form of flattening people's humanity into caricatures, or simply erasure from narratives.

of all the kinds of people and stories you could tell about this time period in this place, why are these the ones chosen? what's the appeal of their dynamic? how is the setting and time period relevant to that?

here, it looked like a very deliberate choice to write around the existence of Black people who lived during that time even though their presence is integral to the livelihoods of the MCs. maybe the author thought they'd avoid the backlash they got by doing that, but that's still an expression of racism, by ignoring that Black people are also people who want their stories and experiences told and treated with respect. and if the author didn't want to include Black people, which they're ultimately not obligated to do, they would have been better off choosing another topic and setting to write about, because like it or not, when writing about American history, you'll have to grapple with the racial dynamics of this country one way or another, to say nothing of the civil war era (even postwar) where the crux of the conflict was "what are we going to do with Black people (are they even people?)". to then make the only Black people in the story be faceless mobs seemingly only with the intention of making the white MC look good and ethical, just rubs salt in that wound. if the author wanted an interracial cowboy romance with this particular dynamic, they had other options for time and setting (and not to mention that those power and racial dynamics are present in other times as well).
every choice a creator makes in their story reflects their knowledge and interests, which are not free from bias.
like with your side note - you'll see a zillion tops with darker skin than their bottom because they're being typecast into the "wild, exotic lover" role, which makes many (colorist, racist) assumptions about intelligence, civility and masculinity (which is why it's 99.9% of times a top and not the bottom with darker skin). this series was kind of playing into that, too.

Just to clarify, I don't know what was going through her mind; maybe she wanted to use a different setting, rarely used by authors.
If you look closely, there are other faceless characters (see pages 2, 5, 6), and they're white characters. So saying that only black characters have no faces is false. I'm not saying this to justify her, but don't other authors usually do the same? Don't you show all the characters' faces?
Isn't every mistake or lack of information collected indicative of racism?

I'm aware that it's a common time/effort saving choice in comics. I'm saying that it's a choice that reflects poorly on the creator's intentions and priorities in telling this story, considering the setting and time period that was chosen. it's very suspicious to have a story where the civil war and its aftermath are significant to the narrative and characters, and then only feature Black people as background props to assure modern readers that the protagonist isn't a bad person by their standards. maybe there would have been actual Black characters done well in future chapters, but that initial presentation does not inspire confidence in the creator since they were not even aware of the implications of what they drew in chapter one. and if they were aware of the implications and making choices for shock value in the first chapter, like the "I'm your slave" line, then the response to those choices shows that the creator needed to reconsider their approach if they wanted better reactions.
it's not just one or two things in isolation, it's multiple choices adding up that leads me to conclude that there was some unconscious, subtle racism present in the formulation of this series, which wasn't a good sign that the creator would be able to do well in telling the story sensitively as it went on. ignorance by itself isn't a crime, but failing or choosing to learn and be informed is a problem, especially when it comes to the topics this series would have dealt with.

ignorance by itself isn't a crime, but failing or choosing *not* to learn and be informed is a problem, especially when it comes to the topics this series would have dealt with.

You are worst than racist, you all are fucking STUPID BY CHOICE

Look, I’ve just dealt with a fucking nightmare trying to send a document, so—without beating around the bush—I’ll just say this: re-read my damn message and tell me what you didn't get. Sure, I use Google Translate, but it seems clear enough to me. It’s a pain in the ass how people scream "racism" over nothing. By that logic, other comics with mixed-race couples would be racist too, even without slavery involved. Take it up with the trolls; you’ve seen their messages

A non-racist defending a racist is what ur saying rn

Are you the same person from my other comment? Can we, once and for all, stop crying "racism" at everything? Making a mistake out of ignorance—because one wasn't well-informed—doesn't automatically make a person a racist. Straight from the internet (keep in mind I use Google Translate and search for things in my own language): "Racists are people who believe in the existence of human 'races' that are biologically superior or inferior. This mindset breeds prejudice and discrimination, driving them to treat others unfairly based solely on skin color, nationality, ethnicity, or religion." I don't follow the author's profiles, but if she had written racist statements on purpose, I think the internet would have exploded.

FRR

She put herself in that predicament and should've been prepared for the backlash. I have no sympathy for ignorant racist individuals. Also, there's no way in hell I'd be willing to put myself in her shoes bc as a grown woman if she couldn't see how sensitive this would be and that she was clearly not the right person for it, she got what was coming to her. She should've put herself in Native Americans' and African Americans' shoes when she decided this would be her next project. Being told to harm yourself bc you tried to misrepresent centuries of oppression into a romance story was where she fucked up. The last thing I have to say about this is that online threats and hate don't compare to centuries of inhumane abuse, mistreatment, and harassment experienced by Native Americans and African Americans. The already lacking representation and acknowledgement of what Native Americans went through is already bad enough, with this story she chose to turn it into something that could've brought those truths to light but also still be focused on romance. She simply did not have the capacity to write this story in an appropriate light and that is on her and her alone.

Why do you scream racism over just any mistake? Furthermore, she never intended to romanticize slavery; the phrase was used in an appropriate context—the couple, in fact, consists of two cowboys. Did she realize she made a mistake? Yes. Did she apologize and understand that her error caused pain to certain people? Yes. Does claiming she deserves all that online hate and death threats make you look like a champion of justice? No, because you end up in the wrong and don't come across as a better person. I find it hard to believe that in your entire life, you’ve never made a mistake—big or small—that drew hate upon you

Clock it

Not once did I claim I never made a mistake, but even when I did make mistakes, I knew which topics I had a say in. If she were going to make a story that included slavery and the Civil War, especially if she had done her research, she wouldn't have included lines as dumb as, “take this money and find your families,” and “I'm your slave, master.” That's the blatantly ignorant and insensitive aspect of this pilot chapter. Whether or not the story would've framed their relationship and history in an honest light isn't the main issue; considering her continuous works set in the States—a setting and culture she's clearly interested in—the least one can do is address the history respectfully. The fact that the characters are two cowboys doesn't mean they were historically treated on the same level. Her influence and popularity are also a huge reason she received such an abundant amount of hate because so many readers saw her in a certain light, and when she misrepresented the past that African Americans had gone through, people stepped up to ask questions and were reasonably furious. If you think this is as simple as me screaming “racism over just any mistake,” you're the one mistaken. This was not a simple mistake, it was a reflection of character, and that propaganda can succeed if we do not inform ourselves. I have an issue with the fact that she chose to go about the first chapter as a whole in the completely wrong direction, not that she as a non-African American or US citizen decided to create a story about a historically sensitive and horrible topic. Just as I tried to inform myself before writing about comfort women, she should've been prepared to handle this setting and a huge portion of American history. Whether or not it was the main theme of the story is irrelevant. That is why a sorry ass apology, which is what it was, will not make up for this terrible initial chapter. And you do not know me, so for you to presume I'm just saying she's racist and dumb because my feelings were hurt... that's something. Stop sticking your neck out for someone who doesn't deserve it and wouldn't give a damn if you did.

"I have no sympathy for ignorant racist individuals"—but you wrote that right here, calling her a racist. "Ignorant" fits, because—as you wrote—she didn't do her research, but "racist" doesn't. By that logic, any other work where one of the characters has dark skin and is shown in a specific setting—like their country of origin—would also have to be considered racist and inaccurate. I’m not defending her mistake; I’m defending her against people screaming "racist" over a damn mistake. So, when *you* make a mistake and people scream "racist" at you—even though you certainly aren't one, just as I’m not—and you offer what get called "pathetic excuses" (your words, not mine), I’d really like to see if you wouldn't be upset at being labeled a racist. Go after the damn trolls in here; you’ve surely seen the obvious posts. Google Translate is inserting asterisks, quotation marks, or hyphens into the words it translates for me—I don't know why.

Dude even that the point. It doesn't help the fact there's tons of historical inaccuracies! Erza and Gerald themselves are walking breathing historical inaccuracies!
Even author admit she did not do a good job it!

I’m speaking generally here; I’ve come across various yaoi, BL, and other titles—even those outside these genres—that contain historical inaccuracies. In some of the M/M stories, one of the characters had dark skin, yet no one complained about it. Now, I don’t know if that was back before political correctness took hold, or if it was just the hormones making people overlook everything else.

Dude I never bump in a bl with REAL HISTORICAL SLAVERY and the real historical inaccurate bl are from their own time period. This was FOREIGN AUTHOR who don't know about this time period. She even admit herself.

Also want more you want from her?! This must be the most humiliating thing ever happened to her and fact her racist fans want her back, is not helping!

If I were her I will retire immediately, so if you want you precious Under the Greenlight side story. You better accept her defeat

I’m female—I’m not sure if "dude" works for both genders (I’m not a native English speaker, which is why I use Google Translate). Anyway, before this story, I didn’t know who the author was. I defend her because she never intended to write anything racist—at least from my perspective. From my POV, I gathered that she just wanted to show the character's personality, and the slavery aspect was merely a reference or something similar. Of course, including that sentence in the introduction wasn't a smart move; calling people racist when they aren't is not a good thing. The fact that a white person saving or freeing slaves is labeled as racism (based on comments I've seen) shows that the author isn't the only one who hasn't done their homework. One last thing: there are plenty of works full of historical inaccuracies—intentional or otherwise—like Tarantino's movies.

Even if Django is historical accurate or not. It's still understand the horrendous atrocities of Black Slavery

Heck The Hateful Eight black guy was wrong but it doesn't mean we don't understand why his like that. The fact you don't understand we don't excuse them they just hate each other, Highlights you understand how Media Literacy work

Also are you new to criticism? Because we been criticizing this medias for years, in fact the White Savior Trope was invented because of Media Literacy

And main reason we still have issues of inaccuracies was years of Propaganda and The Jim Crow era that still effect to this day. (As well the atrocities of crime we did to the majority is included)

Also I called people Dude as neutral gender greeting, I even used Pal the same way. Do you want me dox you, so that I can treat you probably because I don't want that???

Okay I am going to make an assumption based on you saying that you’re not a native English speaker that you’re not from America or anywhere near it, and so you potentially may not understand or know a lot about Americas history, especially when it comes to slavery and its treatment of native Americans (if I am wrong I am genuinely sorry). But I really need you to understand just how violent and disgusting these practices were, and how they still impact the USA as we know it today. Native American children were forcibly taken from their parents and forced into boarding schools where they weren’t allowed to learn their own languages or names or histories, and were pretty much forever separated from their families. Their land was taken off them and their food source the Bison was specifically hunted down so that they would starve and their population would dwindle. African Americans were slaves and were subjected to every form of abuse possible for literal generations. It is cruel and it is violent and it is horrible, and like I said earlier the effects of this are still seen today. And so when you have an author come in and decide to write a story based on this, with no clear background knowledge of this time period and its atrocities, and present us a romance between a white man who FOUGHT in the civil war (and by the way absolutely no one said white people didn’t help free slaves, but we can see within this story that it isn’t the suffering of the slaves that is going to take presedence it’s the suffering of the white man) and a Native American who says he’s going to be his ‘slave’, I’m sure you can understand how jarring it can be. Media will always have historical inaccuracies, but this isn’t an inaccuracy, it’s just wiping away generations of suffering so the author can write some cowboy story that they clearly haven’t researched enough to actually do, so yes people have every right to be mad

Dude I know that, I 100 percent know. But again are you trying to dox yourself because I never assume your not American or you really are American to begin with.

Also it doesn't stop people living bad taste in their mouth

Also I'm gonna copy past another comment I made in case why Erza is worst portray of Native American

It doesn't help it was implied that Erza being Mix Native is a outcast of being Mix Native which make no sense in history because depending what tribe Mix Native people have settlements to live on or even some native themselves accepted them. So already a bad start?

Also Erza was implied to be product of of native woman which explains his mix heritage. Which is true in reality but the name Erza itself is not a native name but a biblical name but don't worry it was explain to me he could sent to those boarding when he was a baby. I already explained the revenge part make no sense? So I already copy my comment again

If that the case Erza should known not known his native land. Because he never taught any of it. If you think Erza mother did something, no I don't think so, because it's unlikely they keep Erza mother record besides the fact she native and also I don't think they will update on her of her son and never let her sent him letter. Erza father? That not happening because Erza is clearly mix Native as heck he mostly married a white woman and have normal white family

Even Erza escape those school he will still never know any of this, because the number of tribe of Native people in America are like million. He mostly likely living on those settlements or get accepted by a another native tribes or just find odd jobs to live by

Again the odd are freaking low I don't think it's impossible

But if it about his stolen ancestral land I already explained why the Erza willing to work like slave doesn't add up

I just realized if still about his native land. Erza could just fight for his land and leave Gerald out of this, or negotiate with Gerald so the slave part unnecessary

If still about Gerald here some reason I think?
- If is still about about revenge it still make no sense for Gerald to be part it unless
•Gerald father and his father are the same man which is incest so it unlikely
•it about Gerald association which should start of Erza asking the associate name first not slave part
•Unless Gerald rape or torture or even associated of somebody closed to Erza. Not great part in Gerald
•If still about Gerald father he should ask about him first

If not Erza should killed Gerald out of spite, so I still don't understand the Slave part

For pit sake My Little Pony made a Native Land drama better than this

I didn't explain name part properly it's because those school force native children to have English name, henceforth Erza

Also I don't the author is racism and should not get harassment but this really the results of lack knowledge and ignorance

I don't think the author is racism and should not get harassment but this really the results of lack of knowledge and ignorance

Ignored this comment towards you. I thought you were the same people and you were explaining to me like I don't know.

Very sorry

I’m replying to you in a single message. I’ve always heard "dude" used among guys; I didn’t realize it was gender-neutral. Yeah, I don’t live in America and I’m not American; I’ve read up on—or watched documentaries about—many parts of history that we weren’t taught or didn’t cover in depth. I don’t think she’s racist; making a mistake—whether minor or serious—doesn’t automatically make you that way. True, she didn’t quite get the point across effectively, but she did do a bit of research. She never intended to be insulting, and in fact, she apologized. Maybe she wanted to convey the historical context by citing a dark chapter of American history without getting into too much detail, but she didn’t pull it off very well. Does she still deserve the hate she’s getting online?

Girl I don't have power to stop that and I'm not giving Jaxx some laid off because she is Korean. The moment she post this manhwa is the moment she should be treated any historical author of the US which she screwed up big time

It doesn't help the fact all her twitter post including her name is a big evidence that she into the cowboys aesthetic not the history behind. Is no different when a TikToker girl said wants things like the 1930s which was a horrible time to be a woman

Also what you want me to do??? Be Fairy Godmother and go bippity boppity boo for her reaction to stop??? If I was I make this manhwa erase in time and make sure you won't post something stupid like this again!

I think I merged the answers with the other one. From my perspective, I think if she'd written a different type of story, still with those two characters, same time period, without the unfortunate line (it would have been appropriate if it had been a different historical period and different type of story, if you know what I mean) but in a different type of story (still set in those years) as happens in various historical yaoi/bl, are you saying people wouldn't have complained anyway? For goodness' sake, I'm not asking you to take to the streets and defend her by insulting everyone. She made a mistake and apologized, it's fair to say she was ignorant. I agree with you when you wrote that she's not racist and doesn't deserve the harassment. I don't have Twitter, so I don't know what goes on there. Look, people who say "I wish I lived in that historical period because..." are truly ignorant, male or female. Like those women who wanted to live in certain years because it was good and didn't know what women went through

In fact, I don't live in America. I've read about events that aren't taught in school online over the years. We did study Luther King, though. Why is it considered racist if a white man saves/frees black slaves? I think the author, by showing the part where he gave the money, wanted to understand the guy's personality and didn't want to delve too deeply into the slavery part because it's difficult to write and show perfectly. Of course, the phrase about the slave and the master would have been appropriate if it had been a different historical period and context, since it was a phrase meant to provoke the other in a certain way. It's mainly Americans who complain about this story, so why don't they also celebrate Thanksgiving? I've read that it's a controversial holiday; some consider it a time of peace, others of massacre, because of what happened. My question is just a naive one; I don't mean to offend anyone

Dude I'm glad you acknowledge this was a stupid post but you said "it's not a master and slave" except it is.

A strongest example is Rick and Morty the lastest season they keep making fun of trope and they will not do that. Except they did and leave fans disappointed. She was about to do that except the slave part has revenge. That why we have issues with this manhwa is the first place.

Also this was about fall into another problematic called "Magical Majority Trope" which is tons of Minority of a issues with this. It's basically reverse White Savior except the Minority is only benefiting the White Savior sometimes without magic or sometime with magic.

Again I'm glad it was cancelled because it's clear as day Jaxx has no idea of this situation

Ok those slave that MC are freaking dead, for starter they have no one else to go because they were sold like puppies and have no knowledge for reading and writing. Also it's unlikely some are willing to leave, because that how abuse they're

Also those who leave are gonna get recapture or worst. Because the war is still fresh so nobody is gonna believe those slave were paid to leave, also if they do it's not easy road either the Oregon trail confirm that it's not a easy travel. The traveler are white people and have slave with them but there were free slave in that road still not a easy road. So yeah those slave a freaking dead. Also this was not Oregon trail I just used that a example they're just heading the west

So yeah it's scream Ignorance and White savior

Also the Union is a complicated mess that nobody was against slavery because all of them have money on slave labor

Here the twitter that also explain that explains more details
https://x.com/SPLover1863/status/2069512321475465603

I haven't watched *Rick and Morty* in a while; I stopped keeping up with it. But let's not dwell on that. I didn't quite grasp the part about magic—the "Magical Majority Trope." Does it mean that people without magic are treated poorly, like in *Cross Ange*? I viewed it as a "cowboy-and-cowboy" dynamic rather than "cowboy-and-slave," based on these points in the introduction: 1. Ezra, a cowboy... 2. Claiming to be Gerald's slave -> he describes himself that way, but I don't think he means it literally; he uses the word to provoke. Which, as I said, was a mistake given the context; 3. On page 16, Ezra says "my ranch." If two chapters had been released instead of just one, maybe various parts would have been corrected and it wouldn't have ended up this way. Who knows? But I’m certain the intention was never to romanticize a master/slave dynamic—which isn't even part of the story. It was just a terrible choice of words by the author

*Ok those that MC free are freaking dead
Finger was not responding from the brain

*Ok those Slave that MC free are freaking dead
God dammit not again

Buddy here the couple of video that explains that trope well
https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLpn2vgOCpglAiD8Qs6bVpPg6y8mPxRZF0&si=kgGRsML7po2fe6d7

Again the attention are still there even the author never attended that, and it still dangerous no matter what you say

First of all, I appreciate you sending me the link and writing out part of the story and how it worked. So, describing it as a "good deed" is done out of ignorance, but it isn't racist. I don't recall if it was you or the other user—one of you, anyway—who mentioned that there were white people who helped and saved Native people or immigrants. Why weren't *they* viewed as racist, whereas here the situation is seen that way? Without getting into the specific wording of the text or chapter—the point is clear enough by now. I’ve read online that if a white person saves a person of color, it’s considered racist, and that’s something I don't quite understand. I don't know why Google Translate is adding asterisks

Buddy here video of white savior trope
https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLeiIQr1fQ-G_Lonvgou2FtOVjgfwXgJ5-&si=LYj_UgLac1EgTYXn
Another video
https://youtu.be/xzDCUF6Z3Eo?si=n8YFHdTZO3mXYorX

Here video about teacher that fill this trope too
https://youtu.be/Z1qYecnkrBk?si=5bOqsDTZmwM8GlIR
And real life white savior that actually scam people
https://youtu.be/haEswB-liBA?si=eVlK7ocNQaNNIRvJ

the translation isnt here tho.. like two comments below you says it comes out in fricking march 2027 </3 maybe some team will jump on it for an illegal translation, it will prob take a while tho

That's fine, thank you.

I appreciate that you're asking in good faith, so I'll answer in good faith. The problem was never that the story acknowledged slavery. It's that it made slavery the backdrop for a narrative centered on the humanity and morality of someone from the slave-owning family. Whether he frees the enslaved people or not doesn't erase that framing it reinforces it by making his "goodness" the emotional focus. That's why "would you rather he stayed a slave owner?" isn't really the question. No, I'd rather the story not use the suffering of enslaved people primarily to establish the protagonist as noble as for the "I'm your slave" line, yes, context matters. In a story explicitly set around slavery, using that language carries different weight than it would in a modern fantasy or consensual BDSM context. People aren't criticizing the phrase in isolation; they're criticizing it within the story's historical framing regarding the author's apology, I don't think anyone should harass or insult her personally. Criticizing the work is fair. Harassing the creator isn't. She herself decided she wasn't confident she could portray the subject with the care it deserved, and that's her decision.

Finally, no, I don't think the only options were "ignore slavery" or "use it this way." There are countless stories set in difficult historical periods that acknowledge oppression without making the oppressed characters props for someone else's moral journey. That's the middle ground many people felt this story missed.