orangepeel's Topics (9)

I promise you nobody cares that much about canceling a rando online

Proving their point immediately…oh I love you Revenge Stockholm Syndrome victims.

Lmao how am I proving their point? I didn't attack them, nor did I say anything about supporting or going against the manhwa. I'd say you'd be proving their point more as you're just throwing out baseless accusations for God knows what reason

“But, I also can't FULLY stray away from it because it's so bad it's good.” This you twin? You can’t proselytize about depictions of rape and say that this manhwa is “grooming our mindsets” and then turn around and continue to engage. Addiction is so sad.

You can’t vacillate between “guys wake the fuck up and stop consuming this shit” and “I can’t stay away!” and expect to be taken seriously. Idk why you’re acting like you aren’t attacking anyone when you accused OP of being a porn addict lol.

They actually do tho This comment section is filled with so many haters who can’t stop reading it too lol. They love to feel superior for hating it and assuming people support rape irl for liking it in fiction.

Ik lmao but idt they'd be that desperate to cancel you haha, but idk I usually comment on dumbass comments that justify the rape and shit, but if you're reading this fully aware then I don't really see what's wrong with it UNLESS you're promoting or supporting the content yk. There's really no point in attacking others lol, but it happens because you have people like NotJax who won't let go

You're just hating for the sole reason of hating atp lmao. There's really no need to get this mad over a few comments online.

You literally turned a complete blind eye to my argument. My comments targeted people who weren't AWARE of how detrimental the content they consume can be when they lack the awareness to understand the media.

Like I said, I can't fully stray away from it because it's so bad it's good, and I'm not going to pretend that I don't find the manhwa entertaining because it's genuinely so horrible. I don't take it seriously because I am aware of how this manhwa was produced for the sole purpose of prompting rape fetish.

By no means am I a porn addict, don't know where you got that info from lmao... You're just using my comments against me, but what can I say.. I'm a pretty influential person seeing as how my account has been your primary source of entertainment.

The point is in acknowledging the system and navigating around it. In any case, you can keep scouting for more comments on my profile. I really don't mind lol

I indeed can oscilliate between those two mindsets if I have awareness. It isn't a foreign concept by any means. I don't support the content, I'm not promoting, and it's clear by the many comments I've posted arguing with people online regarding such.

I genuinely find it so hilarious how desperate you are to dismantle my arguments. I stand by what I said, I don't really care about how people receive my arguments because it is what I believe in. If I call someone a porn addict online, so be it. It's the truth and it's delivered when I see it fit. It doesn't change the essence of my argument.

It's really not that complicated of a concept to grasp man

Just let it go lmao because no matter what you say, I will continue to stand by what I say. I mean, unless you actually address something relevant to the discussion instead of aimlessly attacking anyways, you can stay mad, doesn't change a thing. You can keep examining for every bit of detail on my account, it won't change a thing. Do yourself a favor and just let it go. No need to get so pressed over internet arguments that you don't contribute to in any way

Well! Then I guess there’s no need for YOU to get so pressed over some rape yaoi that you crash out about it and then try to act like nobody is bothered.

Commenting on this manhwa IS promoting it. You’re driving more traffic to something you allegedly hate and find disgusting. You have no backbone.

Anywayz hopefully you can “groom your mindset” into reading something else and not staying hooked on something that gets you this torn up inside.

u made them mad.. like moth to a flame (≧∀≦)

I think dark fiction like this deserves to be made tho. Not everything someone makes needs to cater to your morals or prefs. That’s why we must ignore what we don’t like and seek out stories that suit our tastes. But I agree that one should recognize with these stories the obvious abuse even if the author is trying to paint it in a lesser light. For example with Jinx so many people deny Jaekyung’s abuse bc Dan agreed to an illegal pseudo contract. I’ve been blocked and unfollowed for pointing out that what Jaekyung actually did to Dan was rape and not consensual. But bc Mingwa (the author) tries to paint their relationship in a cuter light now and makes Dan deny his own feelings about what happened people think what Jaek did wasn’t wrong and justified. That past annoys the crap out of me bc Dan multiple times didn’t want to have sex and Jaekyung still made him do it…

Yeah, exactly. It's not that difficult to recognize what occurs in Jinx as rape. Just because Dan consents to it, doesn't necessarily mean he wants it either. It is evident that he is uncomfortable with the sex, and his boundaries are constantly violated. Plus, he's mainly engaging in this partnership due to his own economic hardships, which force him into a difficult and vulnerable position. So, personally, I don't really care that people consume dark fiction. And of course we can argue that it is 'alright' of people consuming it are aware of the nature of the work, I would still say that it depends on the type of dark fiction. For instance, horror porn, graphic gore (or media that focuses on ONLY capturing that), pure rape fetishization, incest, and such and such... Are things that I strongly believe shouldn't be consumed as a hobby or liking. Either way, I'm not one to tell people what to do or not, but this type of content is very detrimental to individuals' mentalities and can promote harmful behavior. It's been demonstrated several times IRL how the consumption of this content has bred murderous, rapists, etc. Who confuse rape fetishization as 'normal' sex, etc. It gets really risky if the person absorbing this content is AWARE but continuously engages with it, subconsciously developing an affinity and attraction to it. There are so many aspects to consider when delving into this subject as it is unique to everybody.

Literally not true lmao. There's no way you actually equate the value of "getting pressed over fetishized rape yaoi" (that many people perceive as normal sex, or think is 'hot') with a rando like you continuously attacking another rando like me online for who knows what reason. Please remind me why you're still arguing with me online. You're just deflecting all of my points with nonsensical arguments.. It's actually so funny how desperate you are atp.

The way it's not tho? So what are you suggesting? I'm a hypocrite for not discussing the disgusting nature of this manhwa and how deluded people are misled by it? But I also a hypocrite for discussing it because it allegedly promotes the manhwa? Either way, the manhwa is very famous and my comments aren't going to be the driving force behind it's fame. Be so for real rn

I'll continue to read it, and I'll continue to argue with people online about it, and I'll continue humiliating losers like you online who think they're smart because they use a few big words and use quotation marks.. You're so obsessed it's hilarious anyways, have a good one

Nobody's mad but the loser NotJax who's so bent on arguing with me online for some reason??

I think their is conflicting research about consumption of dark material and crime. Maybe those people are drawn to this type of material as it was in them to start of with. I certainly wont develop ASPD just because of what i read.

Also would you like us to ban driving as it results in accidents?
Should we ban alcohol because its harmful?
Funny how alchohol is not banned but marihuana is.
I certainly think education, a good health system (mental health ) and legal consequences is the way to go.

Comparing media that romanticizes literal rape (or any dark theme for that matter) to ‘driving a car’ or ‘drinking alcohol’ is just false equivalence and a lazy, overdone argument. We don't ban driving due to the risk of accidents. We regulate it through strict laws, licenses, and social consequences for reckless behavior that harms others. Which is exactly the point of criticizing this type of media.

It’s really not about me calling for a ban or people suddenly waking up with ASPD because of consumption of fetishized rape, incest, and whatever gruesome shit is fetishized. It’s about the fact that constantly consuming content where boundaries are stripped and economic desperation is used to force 'consent' objectively desensitizes the viewer.

you can claim you’re aware it’s fiction all you want and pretend it doesn't affect you, but if you’re repeatedly feeding your subconscious mind media where fetishized coercion is prominent, your perception of what's acceptable in the real world will be inevitably distorted whether you admit it or not.

And sure education and mental health systems are great, but what do they matter if we can't even recognize and critique the garbage we consume instead of making defensive excuses for it?

Im not comparing. I m simply pointing out the absurdity of your assumptions and arguments. Firstly you dont become a serial killer by reading dark material. You are born that way or trauma/environment sets it off.


"We regulate it through strict laws, licenses, and social consequences for reckless behavior that harms others. "
Does that mean we wont cant treat negative behaviour as a consequence of dark manhwas in a similar manner? Why is manhwa more dangerous?

ITs naive to argue that we can control negative influences in this world. And you are so biased to decide on that manwhas are the ones that are harmful and have that greatest influence.

How many people have died or being hurt by those reading manhwas v those who have died by drunk driving? How many people have been influenced by FOX news? How many people have been influenced negatively by peers and chat rooms? Do we ban all that?
There is more garbage out there in reality.

Everything in this world affects us consciously or subconsciously. I can accept that.
But manhwa certainly hasnt changed my morals or boundaries. It has not desensitised me to right and wrong. They have entertained me, offered me an escape when i needed it, affected my mood. But other things I have consumed in real life that I cant avoid have had the greatest impact.

What is affecting me and most of us now is genocide and wars where innocent civilians are killed, and the fact that resources and influence is concentrated with the parasitic billionaire class. And all that is normalised and legalised. What affects us is advertising and influencers and movies and celebrities and porn. Those have a significant effect on us, and its insidious - and you don't see it coming. That is how boundaries are stripped. With manhwas we are aware that its dark and its fiction.

There is so much that affects us but instead you focus your efforts on cartoon characters in manhwas that entertain and offer escape. That is not where my boundries are being challenged and stripped. Its happening in the real world. So what the fuck are you going to do about that. Oh yes, you are telling us that our morals are influenced by manhwas instead.

They are the moral police who want to control us and dictate what is acceptable because reading manhwas obviously normalises rape and cheating and the decay in our morals.
They have decided that the biggest influence on our values and how fucked up we are is because we are reading and enjoying dark manhwa fiction for entertainment and escape.


Its not the shit happening in reality are affecting us like wars and murder of civilains, and media normalising genocide, or the advertising industry telling us we are inadequate and manipulating us. How about our politicians and parasitic politicians/billionaire classes normalising theft, and sex trafficking. And then here in the UK they want to takeaway our privacy and provide ID on the internet FOR THE CHILDREN.

Im reading dark manhwas to escape the horrors happening the real world.

Genuinely surprised they managed to pull their fingers out of their cooch to this manhwa long enough to comment back lol.

Bro felt groomed by some yaoi. I don’t think I have anything to feel embarrassed about. If you really felt so strongly about people’s mindset being altered by this you wouldn’t be contributing to it at all and would be doing literally anything valuable for these discussions elsewhere. Virtue signaling on a porn site is unfortunately, indicative of loser behavior.

Oh, you sizzled. But it’s wasted on someone larping as a politician arguing that yaoi causes violence.

Sorry but consuming fictional rape doesn’t equate to people wanting to do it in real life. This is the same argument that conservatives use to blame violence done by young people bc of video games. The vast majority of people that consume dark fiction never commit crimes, and it’s a little too convenient to pin all the blame on fetish media ignoring all the other factors that would cause someone to commit said crimes. This is why these stories are paywalled in the first place bc normal adults know how to separate fiction from reality. Adults can consume guilty pleasure stories like this in a healthy manner. We shouldn’t be policing what people can or can’t make bc that then where should the line be drawn? It becomes a slippery slope

Well said, at the end of the day these are manhwas!! There’s not a single statistic out there that makes the claim dark porn bl manwhas have caused someone to commit crimes in real life. It’s silly to assume that fiction like this will cause us to change our morals when we are already grown adults Unless children are consuming this I don’t see a problem. Let people enjoy what they like especially now when the world is going to shit and being run by literal demons. Fiction does not affect reality!

the way a thread under a manhwa should never be this long just enjoy the rape already goshhh

This is killing meeeee

Ikr I think this thread is long enough lmao!!

It’s a massive reach to suggest that I’m stating that people become serial killers from reading books. My point is not that at all. That’s just a strawman argument that's used to dodge the actual point.

I’m addressing the desensitization that materializes toward boundary-crossing and coercion. There is a significant difference between being a literal criminal and having a distorted perspective on what consent looks like, as aforementioned in my earlier comment.

bringing up genocide and world wars is just a lazy distraction to avoid the topic. It isn’t an either/or situation. We can't be placing certain issues on a pedestal or prioritizing one over the other, because they are ultimately shaping the way society functions. Humans are perfectly capable of being concerned about global atrocities while also being critical of the garbage they consume.

Which makes your admission that advertising and influencers "insidiously" strip boundaries in the real world quite funny, but somehow you believe that fetishized sexual violence in fiction exists in a total vacuum with zero impact. Which really isn't true! Whether it's a "drawing" or not is irrelevant when the themes are being used to romanticize actual abuse.

I’m not "moral policing" your hobby. I’m pointing out that actual media literacy involves being able to critique what you digest instead of getting defensive and pretending it has no psychological footprint. That's essentially just proving my point because you are incapable of grasping the substantial impact of how fiction shapes perceptions and mindsets. If pointing out that romanticizing rape is a red flag feels like an attack on you, that’s on you. It doesn't alter the fact that feeding your subconscious constant fetishized violence/rape distorts your perception of what's acceptable.

The fact that you’ve completely pivoted to personal insults just shows you have no actual counter-argument.

It's basic media literacy to point out that fetishized rape desensitizes people, it's not 'virtue signaling' brah. And you keep going on about me being a "moral police" that's pressed and bothered, but bae.. You've been on my ass for two weeks now because I said something that hurt your feelings..

If you're this pressed about someone having a critical boundary, that says more about your own consumption habits than it does about me. You can call it 'loser behavior' all you want lmao but getting this defensive over an online critique of fictional rape is the real embarrassment here.

Aht she’s mad!

You can’t “if it don’t apply let it fly” me here when you’re the one who took it upon yourself to respond to OP’s original comment that supposedly doesn’t apply to you. Go blow up or something lol.

it's fun to have these types of arguments online, I mean we're sharing perspectives at the end of the day and we don't need to really get personally involved lol.

I'm still right lol, and not mad

What? You commented this exact same thing before. It doesn't apply to this context lmao. I responded to your comments the same way I responded to any comment, but you've clearly detracted from the central argument because you're so focused on personally attacking me

I mean you do you. if it's too long for you then there's no need to engage with it lol.

Okay props to you for caring about global and political issues, but it doesn't necessarily abrade the fact that this media does in fact profoundly reframe perceptions of romance and sexual violence. I'm lowk too lazy to respond to this comment because I addressed this type of circular and overly recycled argument several times in this thread. If you're interested, feel free to check out the replies or whatever

Poor thing. Don’t try so hard. You’ll hurt yourself.

Even crytypers cope less than this bro

Okay just say you're illiterate and lost the argument

Okay my 67 black pillar chadlite

The only person arguing is you, brother. Also, you used “abrade” incorrectly.

Illiterates accusing other people of being illiterates…what in the twitter is going on…

Some comprehension skills would really help u rn brah. You can't say the only person arguing is me when you're consistently trying to deflect my arguments lol. Also, I used abrade correctly. In the context of the argument it just provides a harsher imagery of diminishing something..

I'm way too lazy to come up with smt rn

I’m just making fun of you. And abrade means to erode. You used in the context of “Abrade the fact” which sounds clunky and odd. School isn’t for everyone, I guess.

We gotta bring back execution for little chadlites like you

Erode, abrade, diminish all essentially mean the same thing. No use in tryna be a smart ass over the use of synonyms

Perhaps a better use would be in a different statement? For example, “I, mangago user Roro have allowed yaoi discourse to abrade my frontal lobe”. That one’s for free.

Icl that one was funny

Thanks man.

You're welcome brochancho

comparing this with that is like comparing flaming garbage with absolute dung. people will never stop shitting on the things they hate, and this story just so happens to be the one thats more known. so no, they will probably never get tired of complaining, and i think thats fine when the story's literal cheeks.

Fr I don’t understand either, there are like hundreds of other stories out there that are arguable worse in writing, art, narrative and smut

Both are peak

Fax

pirating stuff is different from being into rape

EXACTLYYY

Funny how you suddenly draw the line when both involve consuming something unethical for personal enjoyment. You're not morally superior for picking and choosing your vices, you're just selectively self-righteous. Sit down

They are so stupid they don't realise their stupid logic is the same thing as saying everybody who enjoys horror movies are psychopaths LMAO.

People who watch and like SAW 1 2 3 4...10 do not enjoy to watch people being tortured in real life dumb fucks you're so stupid I pity you all. It's good to see cause we know it ain't real. Get out of here

I know, right? The act like enjoying dark fiction means endorsing it in real life, which is the same brain-dead logic as saying horror fans wanna be serial killers.

The fact they can’t separate fiction from reality isn’t the moral flex they think it is. It just makes them look emotionally stunted and incapable of coping like a grown adult.

Well actually

There is a massive difference between pirating content to access art you cant afford and actively enjoying contect that eroticizes rape. One is about access and copyright laws and the other is about consuming materia that glorifies violence and sexual assault pretending those are morally equal is stupid reasoning, drawing lines between types of harm isnt hypocrisy its about having a moral compass clown

I don't think you understand, rape is something completely unforgivable, somebody cannot be reformed from being a rapist they will always be a rapist, pirating content is forgivable and you can be reformed from being a thief they're both very different things you cannot call somebody a hypocrite for disliking things that have constant rape in them just because they pirate shit

This is a preposterous statement because do you think the people reading this manhwa are actually culpable of rape irl?? Piracy is something that will always exist and we will always engage in, but it ultimately hurts a real person’s bottom line and is the reason why the manhwa industry is the way it is today. People who spend all their time with their thumbs up their ass on mangago have no right to complain about how “bad” the content is.

you just basically called the readers–rapists with that argument

Idc about the people who read this knowing all the trigger warnings and wound up “traumatized”. you steal someone’s shit and it ends up exploding in your face. It’s divine at that point. If you think you’re entitled to someone else’s labor because you don’t personally like their content then you should continue to be triggered miserable.

You're not making the point you think you are. Both involve knowingly engaging with something considered unethical by broader standards for personal gratification. The only difference is you dressed yours up in moral convenience.

You’re not a beacon of moral clarity for having a personal hierarchy of sins, bro. Nobody said the acts themselves are equal. The point is you’re still here, willingly consuming something you claim to find unforgivable. You don’t get to posture on a high horse while sitting in the same room. Moral consistency isn’t about ranking your vices, it’s about recognizing when you’re in the mud with the rest of us.

Uhhh, do you not realize the irony in what you're saying? Pirating directly hurts a real, living author’s livelihood, while fiction... no matter how dark doesn’t harm anyone but a drawing lol

You just killed that high horse bitch right now LMAO

Girl you're emptying a clip into a coffin rn

Equating piracy with reading rape fantasy is a false equivalency. One is theft that hurts the creators livelihood and the other normalizes sexual violence with real social harm. Pretending they are the same is ignorance dressed up as ethics. People reading all this bull crap and normalizing it could impact society to not take vicitms seriously. I am not a good person for not supporting the authors but that does not make us the same. You are pirating content AND support a disgusting behaviour of rape/gangrape

I do read manhwas/mangas that include themes of rape but my focus is that the victim's get justice. I do not continue reading if the same acts continue and there seems to be no end. I am not here to enjoy violence I want to see accountability and growth and I wont support stories that ignore that

I think I would know considering the fact that one of my works has been posted here and is still currently being uploaded rape permanently traumatizes somebody being pirated Maybe hurts you a little but you aren't traumatized from it don't even compare it

and I'm not saying somebody's a terrible person for occasionally reading this kind of content I do on occasion as well a lot of people do, but the difference between somebody mainly reading this kind of content and somebody reading it on occasion is that one of them is fetishizing rape itself

Um, you’re really out here claiming "one of my works is posted here" while still using this site like that somehow makes you morally licensed to pirate.

"somebody being pirated maybe hurts you a little" Please be for real. The authors from the Korean webtoon industry literally reiterate multiple times on social media to not read their works on illegal sites cause it harms their livelihood. If you actually knew what it felt like as a creator as you "claim" to be, you wouldn’t be here either.

And let’s not act like dark fiction "permanently traumatizes" a drawing. It’s literally pixels on a screen. You’re mad at fiction for existing but fine with hurting real creators wallets. That’s not morality, that’s hypocrisy with extra steps.

And that whole "if you read it often you must fetishize it" logic is soooo tiring. Frequency doesn’t equal advocacy. Just like watching horror movies every weekend doesn’t mean you fantasize about dismembering people. Not everyone consumes fiction through your weird, insecure lens. Projecting your personal discomfort onto others isn’t a flex either.

you'd be extremely surprised at how many authors pirate other works i know SEVERAL im not saying that a decent amount of them suffer from it because they do i won't deny that, but it doesn't traumatize them, if anything the publishing companies are the biggest issue considering they take most of the profit from authors and overwork them which ive seen time and time again, this kind of content has been PROVEN to harm people which is why sexualizing rape and other things is not okay?? i have zero idea why thats so hard for you to understand

not to mention a lot of people who read these DO fetishize it and dont see it as actual rape, which is a problem

You completely missed the point. It’s fiction. Reading it doesn’t "support" anything except the idea that people can engage with dark, uncomfortable stories without it reflecting on their real-life morals. By your logic, people who play FPS games are shooters, horror fans are murderers, and anyone who watches a show with a bad ending is a sociopath. The fact that you can’t separate fiction from reality just makes you sound unfit to engage with media like an adult.

And for someone so concerned about "real harm," you're still pirating and hurting actual creators livelihoods while pretending it’s a lesser evil. Spoiler: it’s not. You’re not better because you slapped a moral excuse on your theft. Either stop moralizing or get off the site you claim to hate so much. Nobody forced you to be here.

Yes, the industry has problems. Yes, companies exploit artists. None of that magically makes piracy righteous or gives you a moral hall pass for being here? "Other authors do it too" is the weakest deflection imaginable, my god.

And as for "this kind of content has been PROVEN to harm people" uhhh, no, what’s been shown is that people with poor media literacy and pre-existing biases misuse fiction. The issue isn’t the story existing, it’s how insecure people project their own hangups onto it. The content isn’t advocating for anything, it’s literally a fictional narrative. Just like the other people mentioned in this thread, horror, crime dramas, war films, or violent video games, it’s not meant to be a guidebook for life. This is why we have fiction and non-fiction genre.

Also, your logic that "some people fetishize it" so it’s inherently bad is nonsense. The problem lies with the person, not the pixels, not the creator.

You’re trying so hard to justify a double standard and it’s transparent.

I never thought about it until now but you're right. A lot of purists think the exact same and always tries to justify their actions loool

Can't you understand that the only ones "normalizing" rape here is you and your delusional friends? It's fantasy for God's sake. Just like enjoying a horror movie where a bunch of people get killed and tortured. No one is called a serial killer for enjoying horror movies grow up.

Lowkey curious about what work it is that someone deigned to upload on a mostly porn site

And here we are, all collectively reading and supporting that same rape manhwa on the piracy website. Now let’s all join hands and sing Kumbayah.

COOOOOKKKKKKKKK

What moral compass? Obviously you don’t have one when you are also participating in stealing from the authors. Fictional rape hurts no one except your fragile little mind that can’t separate it from reality. What actually hurts real life authors is their pockets you are actively stealing from. So don’t act like you have morals when you are here.

She said that the side stories will be GL (Gyerin) and one BL (Minho)

She went on to state that Gyerin will have a happy and lovely side story.

Whilst Minhos side story will be dark and cruel. So prepare for some some Killing stalking type sht.... I'm prob not gonna read this story.