This is wrong on so many levels. The ML imprisoned the MC, r@pes him, impregnated him against his will, and then HE decides to terminate. The author doesn't make an ark of redemption, in my humble opinion, enough for what the ML does. If I hadn't read the story from the beginning, I would say this was Stockholm Syndrome.
The MC does not realize that even if he goes back, the ML will do the same things because he never met a limit (ML never thought "ok this is not somethingi would do to someone I love", it just kept getting worse). And now the MC had to escape with nowhere to go because his family won't accept him back. They used him as a tool to get notoriety and fame and a good marriage. In their eyes, they can't marry him off, and well, right now, he can't do martial arts, so they are more capable of killing him than letting him live.
And (some people will kill me for this, but...) I really don't like the idea of "it will somehow turn alright" about the pregnancy, I want a miracle or a hidden doctor or a relative that would say "if something happened then I would or could take care of the kid". Especially when the father of the baby wants to kill the baby, his family won't want to keep the baby (and will probably like to kill the baby since it would bring shame) and his sister wont be able to do much since their dad is an @sshole and controls everyone.
I think that everyone is not wrong but not right either, hear me out. The problem with relationships, especially in stories like this, is that they don't really develop in a healthy manner in the way that there is no communication, anywhere.
If Minato is not secured in his relationship because of his past he should talk it out in therapy , because if it isn't resolved then it will be dragged on or it will pop up (so to say) in the future (but I don't know whether in their culture therapy is considered as an everyday thing, so to speak). That said, taking time off in a relationship and saying "I need space or time to resolve this " is valid and encouraged (depending on the person or situation) because sometimes if it is fixed in the moment it can backfire, and hurtful things can be said. That said, do talk to your partners after you thought it through. Don't leave it in the air, even if you think it sounds silly. It's better to try than not at all. Plus, partners are not mind readers, no matter how much we may want them to be, and they can't adjust (or not) to what we say if we don't speak. Yes, they talked about it once, but sometimes people can't see from your perspective, and they need to know how a certain problem relates in some way so that they can adjust. If he isn't secured by verbal assurance then he should also say "it has to do with my insecurities, but verbal assurance is not enough for me right now, and really I don't know what would be" (and it's also valid not to know, but it is fair to your partner to think about how to resolve that). However, I believe it is also Minato's first relationship, so he doesn't really know what to do either, and no one is really giving him sound advice (like, "Have you talked it out? If you haven't it will get stuck and it won't really advance, even if it sounds silly talk about it, better for you to be clear than for there to be problems later on, or for Shizuma to be wondering what he did wrong without you really telling him, and then resolving it") so they are stuck with doing the same thing over and over.
Shizuma is young, he doesn't know how to do boundaries, it's his first job and he basically blames himself for what happens in a relationship. The problem is that he has no one to talk to, and so he has no one to tell him, "This is wrong." For example he blames himself for Yuka, but since he doesn't have anyone to talk to, no one can tell him "it's not your fault you where cheated on, don't take the blame". Yes, the boss is breaking boundaries with Shizuma, but since Shizuma is trying too hard and it's his first job, he doesn't know how to make boundaries without fear or insecurities. (His boss Onodera should know not to play with someone's underwear period, and to treat the two interns equally, especially since he has been in a workplace longer than Shizuma, and I don't believe this are the first interns they have in the clinic). Plus culture can also be a big factor to things in a workplace. Shizuma needs help with creating healthy boundaries, and for someone to tell him "this is a boundary you need" (I know Minato has talked to him before, but he may believe that it stems from his past and it's not really necessary because everyone around them semms ok woth it). I do see a problem with not one of his friends telling him or asking him if HE or Minato is ok with being with Yuka. Instead, they all go out like its nothing.
UHG (internal scream)...
Exactly. Like they treat the whole thing as "normal". Girl, Minato is not secured. What are you talking about, " you're still the one they come back home to". Huh?!
Also, if he needs space, effing respect that! See the effort of Minato wanting to sound sober and not fill with rage when they soon meet and talk? Gddamn. And here you are wanting to meet and make it look like you did not just abandon him the last time. I get that it's work, but did you ever think that your partner also has a life of his own but was actually able to organize his time and priorities for you? And now you show up like it's fcking nothing. Bringing along this.. This.. Ugh!!!!!! He already effing noticed him, and yet he failed to think that showing that interaction will..... Ughhh! I'm gonna stop.. Me emotions are going haywire. I can't with this..
I've already shared my thoughts below. That's enough. But yeah, I do agree with some of your points here, hun.. Whoooh! My hearttt!!
If you’re referring to Shizuma being dropped off, I think it’s fine but I personally wouldn’t let my new boss drive me somewhere even if I needed to go cause I just met him ffs. Shizuma is really careless but I get that he’s young.
Hopefully he learns. He can be polite while being careful at the same time.
It's hella ridiculous. You're going on a date and meet with your lover right after he went AWOL/MIA which you have no idea what the reason for not care to ask the cause, and you're gonna ride with someone else's car and let them see you're with someone else knowing that he has all these issues? Get your sht together, Shizuma! Young my ass, he's not looking into his partner eye to eye... And of course he'll just let him fck him cause that's the way to express love. Pathetic..
Guys, you can set boundaries and put limits in your workplace. His boss -Onodera- is being unfair to both of them (I don't remember other guys name); first you can't use a worker to "help you communicate with clients", or take him everywhere because he understands you better, and then not take the other student under your wing too. This can set an unbalanced relationship in the work place, and it can create rumors. Just like it happened with his friend, his friend knows Shizuma, but still couldn't help himself from imagining things.
Now, Shizuma is a person who has problems setting boundaries, and everyone confuses that with being nice. There should be boundaries with your boss and your ex-girlfriend, especially when they are damaging your current relationships. And even more if you know that if you don't put those boundaries and limits, those relationships (with boss and ex-girlfriend) could evolve into something you don't want, and they can say or do things that are damaging to your relationship. He is young, but he has to learn sooner or later. Your ex-girlfriend cant put a tracker on your phone and still tell you that they like you and stick to you in front of your boyfriend. And no, your boss can't grab your underwear and keep it in his coat; it doesn't matter if you are a man or a woman.
Minato is right in taking his space, especially if he is uncomfortable or processing his thoughts. People don't always say they are jealous because they may believe they are in the wrong, they are imagining things, or they are possessive. It's alright, he is going through a process of change.
YES YES YES THIS IS WHAT IM TALKING ABT
I made rant abt Shizuma under another comment and honestly Minato is legit doing his best in being more trusting in Shizuma but Shizuma is literally making it hard for Minato to do that.
I also reread the chapter and this one panel of Shizuma in the locker room where he is wondering why Minato is upset abt the underwear thing and here are his speech bubbles:
"She was obviously just messing with me"
-referring to when the director decided to play a little 'tug of war' with HIS UNDERWEAR (i cannot believe how this man does not realise how that is so wrong on so many levels)
"Had I known that would happen, I wouldn't have parked where he could see"
-B!TCH WHAT IS WRONG WITH YOU??? are saying that you would have been fvcking fine with having your boss touching your UNDERWEAR?? And you somehow think that Minato ignoring you wouldnt have happened if he hadnt witnessed you being so chill with having your boss harassing you? Shizuma rlly not realising what the issue is with him rlly makes irks me.
I just hope Shizuma learn what boundaries are so that Minato could fully learn to trust and love him.
I think most of the time in manga, the author doesn't stop and think, "This is weird or wrong. Maybe I should make it a learning experience. " And they just forget to put in growing experiences mixed with the drama. Plus, I think that most of the time for men, the sexual as@ault or har@ssment is just written wrong because it is harassment when your boss decides to take your underwear under his or her coat.
I think that when they write "nice guys" (especially from what I have read or seen from Asian culture), they write them without boundaries. They are written in a way where they are too nice with everyone, and since they are nice to everyone, they make their partners doubt. Being nice is different from "this is causing insecurities fo my parter how about we take a step back?".
OK, beginning of a rant right now, so warning for everyone.
I just caught up with this Manga and I got to say it reached one of my bottom lines. Now I know it is fiction, and that there are worse things in other Mangas but...
Her excuse for not doing anything against her almost rapist is what reached my bottom line. As someone who was seaxually herassed I don't like how they portrayed this part, know it is fiction and that I shouldn't relate this to real life but I got angry at her excuse. (this is only my opinion no one has to think this way, and no one has to react this way, it just happened to me)
Even if she is worried about angering a rival yakuza, I believe the boat has sailed, what with him trying to rape, kidnapped, and threatened to harm at knife point the yakuza heads daughter from a rival gang.
Let's say she doesn't want to cause trouble with a rival gang, so why not call the police anonymously? (As a fellow member of this website already pointed it out this can't be done without evidence so sorry for putting this part)
If he does it now against her without any repercussions who is to say he won't do it again to someone who doesn't have anyone to protect her and save her, or anyone that doesn't have a powerful family backing her.
She is thinking about everyone's effort in a play, but would you like it if your friends were around a person who almost raped you? And the next chapter made it worse because they didn't even need him for the play, therefore, her excuse became null and stupid. I know he did it to get a raise out of Makio, but the way she did things at the end is what got to me.
Sorry for taking your time if you read this rant, and sorry for being being angry and dropping the Manga because of this ... Rant over.
P. S. Sorry for my bad English
I’m sorry if I’m rude but this is just plain dumb but izz okay its your opinion. It’s stated since the first chapter that she’s used to being kidnapped or seen things she’s not supposed to. Second ANONYMOUSLY tip the police that she was harassed? You need evidence for that. You can’t just report someone like that and if you think “well she has evidence so” it’s still a no since her family is a YAKUZA and even if you think “well she could’ve said it to her family” well she didn’t because she didn’t want trouble for both families BUT the Male Protagonist reported him to his father and beat the hell out of him and so the other family has had the gist of what happened too. And if you are talking about the next chapters, the girl stated “don’t show your face to me again”, “you have some nerve” when the guy came back and she was also always mad when talking to him. Also just because you had a reaction from your experience doesn’t mean everyone will also react that way. And I think because it is NOT a slice of life but just an exaggerated Shoujo romance not everything is supposed to be taken seriously because it’s supposed to be a doki doki story like the mangaka’s other story. Also I am not defending his actions for him sexually harassing him but I want to make it clear that some points “dumb”. Also I know that it is your own life and choice but please refrain from doing rants like this in other stories that doesn’t need to be “criticized” since old users like us hate seeing this site become like twitter. If you don’t like it just give it a low rating.
Alright first, thanks for being an adult and calling an opinion different from yours dumb, I don't knlw why you are angry about reading a rant when I did put a warning.
I think that saying well she is used to it so why report or get angry is something that I wouldn't expect an adult to say. But I thought I was an adult, and that as an person (of any age) I was entitled to my opinion without someone saying well I think you are dumb but you are entitled to talk anyway.
I believe that she wouldn't be the one starting trouble, I believe that she wouldn't be blamed for anything.
"I don't want to see you again" or you have some nerve" what kibd of punishment is that? I would understand if you said well not everyone reports crimes because they don't want to relieve the experience, or not everyone wants to report crimes, and I would have said "alright I did think of that after posting the rant, but I don't think I could edit that". So his father beat him up, but in your world that makes up for raping someone? Just lie putting rants a d rant warning are my choice reading one, responding to one, and responding to who you thought was a child that way (calling their poins dumb without instructing them patiently ) and ordering them not to put rants is your choice. I understand that not everyone reacts that way and that it is an exaggerated manga that's why I said "I know it is fiction and that there are worst thin in other Mangas, but this is My bottom line" as in this is my reason for not read g it anymore. I know no one cares, but like everyone is putting their opinion in the comments I thought I was entitled to mine... Sorry for thinking that. I apologize
I agree!! I haven't gotten to that part yet, but I saw some scenes online since this was recommended to me on an Instagram manga page i follow. I'm guessing it's the light haired guy that was supposed to be Romeo right??┗( T﹏T )┛Also, I am so sorry for the fact you got sexually harassed. Sexual harassment is horrible and nobody should ever have to go thru that!!
Thank you And it is the light hair guy in the story.
Ya i thought so lol.
Probably bad writing? Or the author just lacks sensitivity about issues like this. Smh.
That's true, sometimes scenes sound right in your head, and you think they are perfect until you put them on paper, or until someone else reads them and tells you something.
Yeah it's not right but it's very common in Asia to bury this kind of issue. People victim shame quite heavily and unless there is proof they don't want a scandal connected to them. Even though we know that there is no shame and it is not the victims fault. It is still a major problem there.
Ya I'm asian and have been to Japan and quite a few times. They have a huge problem with sexual assault and it's not taken seriously a lot of the times sadly.
I didn't know this happened, it's sad that they don't get to voice their anger, or sadnes, it makes you feel powerless already.
I still like this manga but, I feel like the title has now become misleading (?). In my opinion it started with main male characters that cheated on their girlfriends, or cheated their girlfriends out of a future, dignity, etc. But I feel that now this manga has gone off course because in this arc there is no "cheating men", and in the last arc the Male lead wasn't going out with the girl that Lu Xia transmigrated to.
Don't get me wrong I still love the manga, but I just wanted to know if maybe it was just me that saw this.
I heard the real translation of the title is scum man must die , not cheating man
No wonder, that makes more sense.
cheating men must die is the official english translation by the manhua publisher. but the lit trans of the chinese title is something to do with a phoenix rising.
Lost in translation kind of thing (?). ╮(￣▽￣)╭
Who knows maybe the elderly jackass is actually a cheating asswipe
Clearly I am confused, and can't understand emotions because... (warning: clearly a rant that I have been holding off)
I understand that Ashira is young but she should know by now what she is doing. When they were talking about the cake, she shouldn't stay quiet, she should have said "of course the cake from his finance is better. (And that ass&ole Eliot shouldn't have opened his mouth to begin with). And you shouldn't take advantage on your position to impose on others. Because when you are visiting a man in a relationship and his girlfriend is there, keep your distance girl.
Aqua is clearly doesn't know how to make business (and that worries me since he is king) if his only business strategy is not making the other party upset. He should know by now that in every business there should be distance. If he did it right she shouldn't feel upset. And if you know that regrecting a cake from a girl, instead of picking the cake from your fiance, is going to upset her its because she likes you. You don't suspect you know, and that's being a di&k. Especially when you know that her last fiance left her and you wanted to step up to the task of taking care of her heart. If you can't keep business and you your new relationship from affecting each other then don't have a relationship.
Although I understand Tiara has been hurt before, and that she has suffered through a game simulation that left her without a fiance, shouldn't she trust Aqua more? In the other relationship the guy was an ass&ole, he didn't want to spend time with her, and he criticized her all the time, but in this relationship he is loving, caring, and listens to her. So I don't thinks it's fair to compare both relationships and think it will go the same way. Especially when in this chapter he tells her that she should say what's on her mind so that he could spoil her, but she sees him fall and she runs away. (And I don't think it would be right to let Ashira fall into the fountain otherwise he wouldn't be the gentleman that Tiara loves, just because she is feeling wronged doesn't mean he gets to be rude. Because to her that means that everything from the game is happening and that he is falling in love. I don't think that running away is the right answer, she should have stayed. If she wants to fight, fight with everything but don't run away when the going gets ruff, trust your relationship enough (and your man) for him to listen to you and reassure you.
I really don't like how she is treating the fairy King. She does the same thing Aqua does. She knows that the Fairy King makes Aqua jealous (she mentioned it like a chapter or two ago) but she still serves him tea and talks to him in her room with the door close alone. It sounds the same thing between Ashira and Aqua: "Since the fairy King is special because of his status she can't tell him to back off" . He is clearly interested in her because he gets close to her, and hugs her and takes her to his kingdom to stay for hours (he stopped her from leaving once) so she should know by now that he is interested in her and put a stop to it. Especially if she doesn't want to hurt Aquas feelings and make him feel the same way she is feeling.
Anyways, my rant is over if you have read up to here thank you, and sorry for the grammar. It has been a long time since I wrote in English.
As much as this makes sense keep in mind that it mixed with an era were relationships doesn’t play a big role when it comes to being noble in royal society, keeping things at piece and in check it the right mindset (like how aqua said if he made her upset then the sea will hate him and it will affect his country) that is why his fiancé is always put in a position where she can’t simply say I’m jealous I don’t want her etc etc
True, plus it makes the plot better jaja
You've said everything for me
I can understand where you are coming from but you have to remember that Tiara also sees the Fairy King as a source of comfort after leaving off to a foreign land where she doesn't have much of anyone. She was able to freely talk to the Fairy King when they met so to her he is also a good friend. I thought of the situation of, if you have a lover and they are jealous of you being kind to your friend, would you stop being kind to your friend? Its not a one to one comparison but it has a similar tone. You also have to think about how Tiara's not completely lacking in trust of Aqua's love. It's more of the fact that the world seems against her in and is forcing these events to happen. She feels like she is fighting against fate here and that would leave her feeling utterly helpless. Even if she trusts Auqa, how does she know that something won't happen to him to where he doesn't love her anymore, be it magic or just the unstoppable fate that seems to be controlling. This is further cemented by what happened with the fountain. One of the few times she actively try to change what "should" happen ends in failure. It was a mistake for her to know that Aishira was a heroine, because if she didn't know she wouldn't feel as devastated by the uncontrollable.
I do agree with you that Prince Aqua should have keep a good amount of distance initially but remember that their relationship started before he even met Tiara, for all logical sense he could have been close to her because he would likely marry her after he came back for a political sense. That doesn't excuse any closeness he continues to show after he feel in love with Tiara.
Honestly they should just talk it out but as said above, love and emotions aren't an easy thing to express in this era over political and social standards. Also part of me wants to believe that the Fairy King is trying to help them to get them to talk about their feelings since humans are stupid and complicated, but who knows~
I agreed with everything you said up until the part about tiara. Not every girl has the confidence to openly say what they want, and even if he told her to let herself be spoiled, it isn’t easy at all. She’s used to holding herself back for years, she can’t really just change in a few hours just cause someone said she should be allowed to say whatever she want. That reminds me of how friendly people would give advice to a shy person by saying: “just talk to more people!” Anyways it’s not as if she’s running away completely, she seemed to just run and leave because she needed space to gather her thoughts and then she’d talk to him later, she was taken away by the fairy king before she could do anything.
I also understand that it isn’t completely fair that tiara might compare her previous relationship and the last one since they’re both completely different, but it’s honestly human nature to do so. Seeing as she’s learned from her previous relationship, just how bad it could be, she might be able to notice more signs in her future relationship that might be similar. Besides this was also her second relationship, she doesn’t have much experience to go off of for her to know better that every relationship is different. Plus it’s also worrisome for her since her failed relationship has similar traits in her new one, such as both of them being love interests for heroines that aren’t her.
Oh and I don’t really think it’s unusual to have the door closed while talking to the fairy king, I would understand if it were her bedroom but I think that’s a bit weird seeing as it’s set in a different world other than modern times.
I feel like serving tea to the fairy king is pure hospitality, it doesn’t mean anything and it’s normal to offer a guest something unless that guest is actually an enemy. She knows how the fairy king thinks of her and she’s already drawn the line by telling the fairy king about how he should act since she has a fiancée in a previous chapter. The fairy king may make aqua jealous but that doesn’t mean that she can just kick him out just cause she knows of that. Aqua also has a feeling that aishira (whatever her name is) makes tiara feel jealous but he also doesn’t fully distance himself cause she’s powerful and may cause harm for the kingdom, it’s the same for tiara towards the fairy king.
Damn now this is a rant expressing everything true
I think that sometimes I don't explain myself right. Sorry about that. The thing is that I don't hate Tiara, and I don't think she is weak. However maybe because of the quarantine I am over analyzing things, and I think that they all have a little bit at fault here, making this the super bomb that is the climax.
I am shy too. And my dad and my mom used to say "just talk to people", but my fear over took me. I think that if you are afraid the person who can over one that is yourself, over come it with the help of others of course (like Aqua helping Tiara) then you can over come it. That is why I so said that Aqua should have pushed the Ashira away and help her.
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Or maybe I am over analyzing things, this quarantine is making me do more than I should instead of enjoying the ride jaja.
I think that the era is a good thing to consider, but I want them to talk
and have a conversation not saying I don't want her, but saying I am uncomfortable.
Also I am answering everyone because I have been quarantined for the last 3 weeks and I haven't talked to anyone. So I am not against opinions I just want to talk .
Everyone is making this jumble of emotions called climax jaja
Hmm after reading you post I am changing opinions about the fairy King. .. But isn't Ashia (?) also a friend of the prince?
Dam& it I want my emojis to show
Thank you. Every time I see a reply I get excited because I am sort of "talking to someone", being encarcerated for my own good for the last 3 weeks without seeing anyone else has melted my brain a little.
Yeah, I didn’t think that you hated tiara in anyways. I also think that they all have problems, some more than others (Ashira/aishira whatever idk I never remember her name). I don’t really care much about the fairy king since he’s not even human and I don’t really think he sticks to the usual “human” manners, he just does whatever he wants. But aishira is another problem, i just think it’s annoying how people have to think about how to keep her happy so she won’t cause the sea fairies to destroy the whole kingdom just cause she’s mad or sad. She should know how to control her own emotions especially towards a man who has a fiancé. When the question of whose cake the ML liked better, she shouldn’t be expectant since she already knows one is made by his fiancé and the other she didn’t even make herself, some cook of hers made it. (Oh btw at first I was annoyed as to why Elliot asked that question in the first place cause it sounded as if he only made problems, but he actually only asked to make a cute moment between the ml and the fl. He supports their relationship and probably was expecting the ml to instantly say his fiancé’s cake was better like the maid did). Anyways she annoys me a lot lmao. I thought: “get those blushy, googly eyes away! Stop looking at her mans like that!” as she blushed at the sight of the hot ml. And I got extremely angry when she wiped the ML’s face, I’m like: “he has a fiancé right there thank you very much. Your help is not needed.” Oh and the last thing I thought was: “just let her fall in the fountain, it’s not like she’s gonna die. She gets wet all the time by swimming in the ocean anyways,” lol that last part may be rude but oh well.
I feel you the comment section under my current reads has become one of my grasps for sanity in this quarantine. Hope you good though
I think that by now she should have learned something, like keeping her distance. That is why I believe she uses her position to impose on others. She clearly knows that everyone is taking care of her but she still makes things awkward. She should tell people to calm down, and she should have a talk with the fairies that although she might get angry she is human and she is bound ato feel sad and angry but they can't act rashly based on that. (I think a good example is the Manga "the white cat that swore vengeance was just lazing on the dragon kings lap"). She should have given her handkerchief to Tiara instead. And she should have said that there is no comparison between their cakes.
Yeah I am fine, I do have my family (now that we have to be quarantined might as well be together right?) but I would like to see MORE jaja
Lol basically what they just said, but also the prince isn't in the same position as Tiara since he is in his element, his land. His can't use Ashira as a comfort excuse since he is at home with the bonus of his ladylove. Granted you could argue that she is his only friend in the political world and that should make him feel better but he is in actuality always on his guard around her. Then it just loops back around to my first argument. Hope ya doing good in quarantine, keep at it, you are doing a great service by staying home for those who can't!
I don't think he uses her for comfort, I think it is easy for him since he doesn't have to answer to things. And that makes him a bit of a coward. I don't think it is his only friend, I believe Eliot is also his friend. And if they are friends he should be able to talk freely with her. Ithank you, I have a cousin that is a nurse, and since she is doing the best she can I will do my part.
Well everything in this has kind of shocked me a little bit...
The cousin does seem apologetic, yet I expected more anger from Kaede (something like "I know you did it with good intentions, but fu$& of, don't do it again", at the very least)
And that "romantic scene" between a comotose wolf and Kaede kind of shocked me a little.
I think that since they are going to go on... They should at least start all over again, somewhere else. I don't know what to think anymore!! (desperate) (╯°Д °)╯╧╧
P. S. I put this as a reply, but I still want to vent a little. Forgive me.
YES. I totally get you. Whatever they do is so unfair!
I think that the worst thing is that no one seems apologetic, and they just go with the flow
Ikr! They're like everything (of their mess) depends on you. You need to try.. And so on like it's not their business or sth
Please let there not be a love triangle between the sister, the brother and the alpha... Or any kind of love triangle.
How?! (￣∇￣")
Oi honey you've not been on this site for long have you...I count seven of the top of my head and if guard dog like wives count then it goes up to 11 obsessive girl friends 18 I think... I'm not too does on the last one, let's not even begin with the stalkers... Though it's only prevalent in the psychological section of this library and maybe a few dramas.
Nuuuu I don’t want a love triangle >:(
Jajajaja I think my wish was a little naive...
I think that no one knows he is an alpha so, in her mind he is free (?). There is a manga where the sister's boyfriend likes the ML... So there is one already
Sorry honey, but ive been here for more than you thou, but like a person who know spanish (the manga has more chapters in spanish) i already know how this manga goes, and even without knowing, doesnt look like a triangle.
That's a relief
Yes!! (づ￣ ³￣)づ
Not to hate, and I would like to discuss opinions.
To tell you the truth, I didn't notice that the art changed, maybe because i just read the new chapters and never reread. The story, however, I feel that the story has dragged on too much in certain areas but lacks in others. For example, I think it has dragged on long enough about the different soul ranks and showing how strong the ML is, but it lacks in developing the conflict about the ranks and in truly showing how strong the ML is. It has gone into the told (everyone speaks about the ranks), but the showing, in my opinion, has gone into a direction that has become a little repetitive. I was expecting him to show the school what he believed in but also for the other guys at the bank to show up again and for us to see how strong the ML is compared to those guys. As for the romance for me, it doesn't exist in this story since he is not even interested, it does seem like they will force it a bit when he suddenly wakes up and realizes he loves her, after such a long road denial.
Maybe I was expecting his point of view to change a little because those ranks are about fighting for your life in a serious situation, and sometimes what you can do in a real fight changes from an ideology to realism. In the bank, he could take care of everyone because he is strong, and his real rank is an S, not because he worked hard (otherwise, the girl could have taken care of them).
I agree (though, I did notice the art change and did not like it). I started reading this because I wanted to see how the ML would deal with his ability and grow even stronger through hardships. The beginning of the story was good, but it kept going downhill after. It's more of a slice of life manwha about students being friends than a good action story with character development. I'm really thinking of dropping it. It feels just bland now
Yeah, it feels more like a school manga than an action one, with a side of (to me) forced romance. Now it seems that the bank stuff felt like it was thrown there, out of nowhere and then forgotten, like a spoiler of things that won't happen in 30 chapters. The first season was good, we found out why he was afraid of himself, we saw what he could do, and we saw he wanted to protect people, but the second one was lost and bland.
Yeah I felt like the story or at least narration is becoming weaker and all over the place with plot points.
I agree with you on him beating Pest because he was S rank and hiding his doubts so I was excited to see him change his ideology and proudly proclaim to the new guy that Souls don't have ranks yet he could only beat him with his partially awakened Edeya.
I feel like the point was missed, growing strong and following your ideology while still acknowledging you're in fact stronger for having an S rank Edeya would be the way to go.
I hope this story gets better from here on with Pest making a reappearance.
Also I absolutely hate the forceful romance part in this, Goblin is kinda creepy imo while Mc is rejecting her advances, Idk but either make it official, give up or make it an interesting conflict...not this weird middleground..
I don't like the "romance" either. The author's trying to push too soon. I don't dislike her as a character, but her suddenly having feelings for the ML is weird. I also think that ML's development was unrealistic considering his past. He hates this murderous part of himself, but just because his friend told him "Your edeya doesn't define you", he changes in five seconds and decides to show how strong he is (he has way more chemistry with his beefy friend that with the girl honestly). I wanted more inner struggle
I think the "message " from the author is about classism, and it's alright I agree that there shouldn't be, but this classism is about survival in a battle, and an ideology without flexibility in these cases is almost never done right (at least I don't remember if there was). There is clearly a line between sticking to your ideals and naivete, and it's like the author is jumping from one to the other throughout the story.
I have dropped other action mangas where the authors draw romance like that, where the girl believes that if she is forceful and pulls people into her cause then the ML is going to fall in love with her and there is a clear line between going for it and being forceful, and it seems that she has been going into the forceful since the ML has said enough times that he doesn't see her romantically.
Not gonna lie, thought this was going to be Shounen Ai, and I would have followed it since there is more chemistry between them than with the girl. The inner struggle would have been chefs kiss since he did murder someone so young, even if they were abussing him it wasn't something that you forget so easily. Especially because they where disappointed that he was "weak" to begin with, before he murdered them.
Yeah it's difficult to portray and that might be the reason why it's going back and forth, I don't mind having an inner struggle about classism and I really love the premise of the story. The second season is so far a bit disappointing but I hope it goes back to exploring those ideals and recognizing that even having the belief to not let Edeya rank souls is a privilege of the strong ones.
Honestly I wouldn't have an issue with female ML being forward and taking the initiative but after the MC repeatedly rejects her advances it only feels weird especially being played for comedy in this.
I don't dislike her, she has her good sides but whenever she forcefully teases him it comes off as harassment if anything
I absolutely agree on the first part but I do think the Mc already had the belief of there not being ranks to souls and the encouragement of his friend only solidified that. Especially with his own story, I felt like they had good character development, with the initial meeting, him joining the HT and the their talks and training camp...my god their chemistry, wasted opportunity lol
It is definitely a privilege of the strong ones since they are the ones who would win no matter the fight, and the weak would be done without a fight.
I don't mind her being forward, either. Sometimes, in a relationship, you have to be the one who takes a step forward no matter the gender (? I don't know if it's the word that's used in this question).
Yeah, I think that there is a difference between being forward and just repeatedly forcing someone to accept your feelings (especially calling someone your boyfriend when he already said no).
I do like her, and the new struggle she has gives her a new dimension to her character. I think she is having a struggle that's instrumental to the story where she realizes she was strong, but she was lacking in some areas.
I was so disappointed when I saw that it wasn't shounen ai. It's sad how authors never want to at least drop hints that two male characters could be together at the end off page, even though the romance would be believable and realistic. Naruto is a clear example of that (Sasuke & Sakura? Please, there was nothing believable there).
I agree, it would have been perfect. MC's "split" personality should have been portrayed differently later on
I don't disagree with you, but I think that it was too sudden. Even if he doesn't seem like it, the MC is an optimistic person. It's normal that he ended up believing his friend, but the way it happened, in two seconds flat, was a little weird.
I know, it's such a shame! His friend literally said thinking about the MC "You're so lovable".
Well in the teachers lounge at the start of the story he already got visibly disappointed how his teacher did believe there were leagues to souls and Edeya defining everything.
Then the horrid experience at the bank and how he hated his murderous side even more so the eye opening push to fight for his belief by his friend seemed reasonable.
Although I guess it could've been established more in depth, the setup was great tho, from them forming the friendship up to accepting the Mc because they've made a similar experience in the past.
It might have been a bit rushed but it was necessary to drive the story along so I don't mind.
Yup tbh I prefer Shounen Ai in Action focused Manhwa, it's a nice bit of "fanservice" while not taking away from the overall story.
Yeah now that Mc is even meeting the family head, I think we're going even deeper into her character arc.
Since she's such an important character, it's nice to see her past & future unfold, revealing her inner struggles.
It's gonna tie her closer to the Mc too since they share a mindset. Even more of a reason why the forceful advances should've been toned down or the Mc at least being shy but not opposed to them.
The expression you used was correct btw and I know what you mean!
Their friendship is definitely one of the best parts of this story. They really have a positive influence on each other. That's why the two of them work so well together.
Same. Outright yaoi would have been forced just like the actual straight romance, and it would have been weird. Shounen ai is just right in stories like this
YES I feel like his whole charcater arc was done so well while goblin fell short on development except for her fight at the bank and their interaction on the roof.
Otherwise I only remember her constantly calling herself Mc's fiance.
Maybe it's also the break between the seasons, now it seems to focus on her but it's been about a year since the last season so a lot of reading flow is lost.
I really wish they gave her more normal interaction like for the friend and Mc.
What I like most about Shonen Ai is that there's always a focus on the development of the story instead of showing Intimacy as a "cheap" way to drive the plot forward (nothing against smut but most stories forget there's supposed to be a story too *cough* Jinx *cough*).
And yeah it really does work best for these kind of stories, it adds a bit of spice but doesn't take away from anything.
I like how we all agree that Shounen Ai would have been better. Both of you even went in depth about why, and I couldn't have put it better. I would love to see a Shounen Ai in an Action Manhwa, but I haven't found the one yet.
Ikr?
I only know 2 which are "A trace of the wonder" and "Death Delayed for a Short Time Because of the Will".
The first one is a bit more explicit but does have really good action! It focuses on their relationship after a certain point tho, lots of trauma. The novel is 18+ which the Manhwa isn't.
Similar with the second but it's newer so there's more action as of now.
If you don't know them yet, hope you enjoy :)
Thank you
Honestly, that’s why I read queer books. It’s amazing when there’s a complicated and action-packed plot with a side romance that doesn’t take over the whole story. I hope we’ll see these kinds of stories in the future