Jiwoo still has that favor from Gestella. I feel like he's gonna ask to learn her blood sucking ability so he can recover/not get as tired during fights
No I don’t think he would do that. He knows how important awakeners techniques are to them.
I Fuentes it’s gonna be something so Jiwoo like “please continue to be my friend “
or gestella might just insist on passing that force control to jiwoo unknowingly
She probably will. She’s def gonna be his 4th mentor
Is Taehan really that manipulative? In the beginning he made advances when Danwoo was literally hard and about to cum in his salon chair. But in terms of the whole teacher student relationship, Daewoo is the one who literally asked Taehan to help him. I feel like I could see how people misinterpret this as manipulation, but every step of the way Taehan has been extremely clear about his intentions and asked for consent. I also think so many people are seeing this as manipulation because they're infantilizing Danwoo. Cause guys Danwoo is a full on adult who understands what he is doing. Like I reread to make sure and even Danwoo fully knows that what he asked Taehan for is promiscuous. Hence why he wanted to make it clear that he wasn't dating Woori so he wouldn't seem like a cheater. I think the only thing I really dislike about Taehan is when he rejects Danwoo, but even then he was clear about it and has been consistent with other partners like the actor. I would dislike Taehan more if he was hypocritical but even this chapter he is curious about Woori, but when Danwoo reminds him they're not in that kind of relationship he accepts it and doesn't get angry like other MCs.
Like is he using Danwoo as entertainment? Yes. Is that poopy? Yes. Is he clear to Danwoo that he just wants to have fun while helping him and not pursue a serious relationship? Yes. Danwoo is able to leave and end the relationship if he wishes. Taehan is doing nothing to stop him from leaving. So I can't really say he's manipulative when he hasn't lied or anything. I feel like its kind of interesting that BL fans will try to defend the bottom from slutshaming. But essentially what everyone is doing here is slutshaming the top by claiming he's manipulative when he really is just a dude who wants sex with no feelings and communicates that to his partner clearly.
Like tbh I really like Woori and if I was Danwoo's friend I would tell him to go after Woori instead. But I also like Taehan and I'm really interested to see what kind of character development they give him. I'm curious if actor boy and Woori are going to end up together. Like I get liking Woori more but way too many people are babying Danwoo and acting like Taehan is some demon spawn when they're two consenting adults who agreed to a friends with benefits situation.
sangkyu for taking the time to explain, i hope the other mangago readers grow a little insight on the characters rather than just surface level impressions
ok this analysis ate up
Ok tbh I was in a porn no plot kind of mood so even with the cheating I was like ok whatever then the gangrape happened and it just sucked me dry, like I will never understand authors making tops that "love" the bottom but allow them to get fucked by all their friends like that like that ain't love man
Real, I don’t get it. And he was so fine and casual with it while it was happening, then he got jealous after like…okay I guess. Even more confusing that he wasn’t involved during it.
Genuinely trying to like this but it's ch 15 and I'm mad stressed. Like none of the characters are likable whatsoever. The mc is a pushover and the ml is a douche. There's no humor or brightness in this, their relationship is angry, their work life is horrible, like I find myself getting second hand stress. And at least make the misunderstandings make sense? Like the characters make the craziest conclusions??? Can someone who's read please tell me if their relationship gets better at all? I can't continue if it's just more of the same stress vibes.
Geez, it gets better bro
You're feeling it too much, it's like because you're stress that you're stressing this way more than it should be appropriately.. realistically it makes sense but it gets better, yeah
I saw translator mention there's a novel for this does anyone know if there's a translated version they can send a link to? Thank you!
I was letting this marinate and according to the comments I will continue to let this marinate
I feel like Yiyoung deserves more credit. When Doyeon first asked him out Yiyoung was literally going to tell Director Kang right away. Then he finds out the random dude is not just extremely close friends with Director Kang but also a very important business partner.
After that it becomes 10x harder because Yiyoung already told Doyeon that he has a partner thus he isn't interested and Doyeon deadass said that he didn't care. Then not like he can act unfriendly or be rude by ghosting Doyeon. Doyeon is extremely close and important to Kang both in business and personal life. As the boyfriend you don't want to offend someone like that. Especially if Kang doesn't know why you're being rude to his close friend. Then not like he can tell Doyeon that he's with Kang because Kang's not out and even if Doyeon is gay and would assumingly be accepting it's not Yiyoungs place to do that.
So I can totally understand why he is polite to Doyeon. Keep in mind he refuses Doyeon's offer to drive him home and Doyeon DRAGS him into the car. During the drive when he tries to be like oh you're going the wrong way Doyeon is legit like I'm taking you to dinner whether you like it or not because I like you. Like he got kidnapped??? Like Doyeons so wrong for that knowing that especially after knowing Yiyoung is already dating.
Like is Yiyoung perfect? Nah. He should've told Dorector Kang right away. But #1 they were in a fight where Director Kang was totally in the wrong btw. #2 A lot of the time they were working/busy and when they had time Doyeon was there and Yiyoung can't tell Kang in front of Doyeon. Like Director Kang couldn't even work out the fight with Yiyoung for a while because of it. #3 Maybe Yiyoung doesn't want to start a fight with Kang and Doyeon.
I just feel like Yiyoung is extremely young and in his first relationship, and while he didn't do the most optimal thing the fact that he prioritized immediately communicating with Director Kang once he realized how the situation made him uncomfortable is extremely mature. Idk Yiyoung never cheated or even borderline cheated. Cheating is about intention. The whole time while Yiyoung is eating with Doyeon, Yiyoung is already thinking about how it isn't right before Director Kang even calls.
Yiyoung lying is wrong. But he doesn't even wait 5 minutes before realizing wait wtf did I just do in a panic that was so fucked up and wrong before he runs to tell Kang and apologize.
Like Yiyoung is in such a rough position man. He's a 21 year old dating someone way older than him and being pushed around but that guy's friend who is also still much older than him. Like nah he's not perfect but dudes try to be more understand my boys in a rough position and he is genuinely trying his best. He hasn't done anything that bad. Honestly doyeon sucks more imo.
I feel like i read this longer than the latest chapter lol
Yes this part was sad. I get Yiyoung had been in roller coaster unresolved issues for the past chapters and his insecurities are piling up plus the reaction he deserves is being set aside. The adults here are not adulting.
They legit got rid of all the detail in the art. I usually don't care about art changes if it's not that bad but they deadass used to color the hair and now it's a big block. I'm actually fucking mad.
Genuinely I don't get it. First of all barely anyone acknowledges the trauma that Jaeha went through. Like boy was a freshman being told by his professor that he loved him and got manipulated into having sex at school often even though he was uncomfortable with it. Which ultimately led to someone taking a photo of them having sex, him being outed, getting bullied, and the man he thought loved him leaving him.
Like yeah this man has commitment issues dude who wouldnt after that??? Also so much easier said than done for him to deal with his trauma like who can he talk about this with? His friends? Family? A therapist? Like mental health and being gay are both taboo in korea so this man had nowhere to go. Not even mentioning that his father was abusive.
Is he a perfect character without any flaws? No. He clearly has problems with being loved and trusting others in relationships. He hurts people as a result of his insecurity and guilt. But also he's a human being. He's not meant to be a perfect character. Straight up being honest only reason he ends up being happy is because Eunho is such a persistent bitch who is constantly showering Jaeha with love and showing him that he will never leave regardless of his flaws thus ridding him of the insecurities, trust problems, and commitment issues.
But also I don't get the constant slut shaming. Like he genuinely thought the professor loved him. Then straight up when he first meets Hanjun his first words to him are "I don't date men though". Making their relationship as friends with benefits very clear. If Hanjun still pursues him romantically after that thats his problem not Jaehas ok. Hanuun went into it knowing he was fighting a losing battle and that he was gonna get hurt lets be so real. He was also loyal to Hyeson and truly loved her, author says he's bisexual and truly cared. The reason why they got divorced was not because he was cheating (of which he never did), not even due to the photo. It was because he was too scared to put all his trust into her due to his baggage, and she felt like there was no changing him at that point. That she wasn't a good enough wife if he couldn't trust her. Like Straight up let's be for real this man has 4 bodies only. He's 30 with 4 bodies. Half were deadass relationships: his professor and Hyeson. Only 1 being a full on sex friends situation: Hanjun. And the last 1 being sex friends to committed relationship: Eunho.
Like he's a grown man. Didn't cheat on anyone. I don't fucking get this shit. If you hate him for his baggage and hurting Eunho that's fair like whatever man we can agree to disagree. But the slut shaming is crazy.
Wow.... Tht was whole lots of things..
Well I also agree tht atleast he was not a slut..
But he had serious trust issues and that's wht I kinda hated about him... Cause he knew how much eunhoo loved him but still he was acting like a coward... Idiot... It was nice tht he met his ex wife and she put some shit in his brain.. And then he got together with eunhoo again...
LOUDERRR!!
I agree, why must people slut shame... If you make it clear what you want from a relationship, why must you be blamed for it?
claps for u
Because trauma is not an excuse to hurt other people? It's annoying to see people constantly use that as an excuse when Jaeha is a grown ass man who decided to date a guy way younger and immature than him and threw him away when he didn't wanna commit anymore. The slut shaming is obviously fucked up, but it's completely understandable why people would be annoyed at his other actions.
Clearly didn't read the part where I said if you hate Jaeha for his baggage and hurting Eunho that's fair. Like personally I dont think that way but I see why you would. My comment was clearly discussing the hatred due to slutshaming reasons NOT HIM HURTING EUNHO which almost every comment hating Jaeha is/was when I wrote this comment a full year ago.
I kinda feel bad for Hyeon because he has all these problems and genuinely needs therapy. His uncle could've gotten him help, as Hyeon called him out for, but didn't because of the stigma in Korea. Then only offered it when Hyeon's mental health deteriorated to the point it was going to affect his career, but the uncle had already taught him to look down on help through his previous actions.
If you think about it his story is genuinely tragic. He was forced into fame as a baby, his mom committed suicide, his dad was abusive, and due to the fame he was never allowed to grieve properly. Then because he's a more feminine man he was constantly sexually harassed and he couldn't even defend himself when they retaliated with rumors. A person like this genuinely does not have the opportunity to learn what is normal as they have never experienced normal. It reminds me of real child actors or even children of family channels that grow up with a lot of "problems" due to their fame. Again all this with no therapy and no one on his side.
I think he should still be held accountable and apologize, but in my honest opinion his actions do not make him as irredeemable as some comments make it out to be. He makes homophobic remarks (despite being gay) because his only interactions with gay men have been through the lens as a victim of sexual assault. Now is that correct? No. But when you consider Korea's already negative societal perception of LGBT plus his own traumatic experiences it makes sense why he projects those feelings onto the younger gay actor. Especially when he hasn't even worked his own feelings out yet.
I think why this is so interesting to me is that Eunho in my opinion is also not blameless here. I understand why he may have ghosted Hyeon due to his situation, but I dislike how he downplays how genuinely traumatizing it was for him. He knows of Hyeon's various problems and still works into the system of not getting him proper help due to his actor status/stigma. He already knows that Hyeon cannot sleep without him, to the point of Hyeon begging, and actively decides to leave. I think Eunho"s faults are to an extent lesser than Hyeon's, and I do see how one could make the argument that Hyeon is not a therapist. However I would also make the argument that if you are participating in a system that prevents Hyeon from wanting to seek professional help, you also can't tell him to go to a hospital once he's become codependent on you without kind of being a dick.
I feel like Eunho gets a pass from many of us in the audience because we can probably relate to him more. He's poor and had sick family he struggled to take care of. It's easier to put ourselves in his shoes and see where he's coming from. I would like to say if youre here you're probably not a billionaire actor lol. But I do think his lack of relatability and wealth makes us a lot more critical of Hyeon. It's kind of ironic but there's a panel that criticized the people who claimed well who cares about his trauma he inherited a billion dollars. And I feel in many ways we as the audience are doing the same by disregarding his story due to his weath.
I've read other stories where there's an asshole rich guy and I feel like usually it's rich guy is asshole to completely innocent twink. Then author wants them together so they are like well here's his redemption in the last 5 chapters. Hes not a bad guy hes just traumatized trope. Whereas I feel this story had pretty early on emphasized that Hyeon is an asshole, but also established his background early. Idk maybe I'm putting too much hope into a BL at 2 am in the morning lol
nah you’re right, this was very well articulated bc i thought the exact same thing… many people just can’t handle a genuinely complex character like hyeon
Even tho the miscommunication is so BS, I still think it's needed to happen.
Especially when we can see that through mistakes and conflicts, that's how Hyeon learns how to grow and do better because he never has to follow anyone's rules so he's used to either doing whatever he pleases or ppl have to follow his needs.
And even tho he's very much possessive abt Eunho, he never once thought he's in love w him, he hasn't figured that out so if Eunho confesses to him before the fight, Hyeon would still be shocked and kinda pushed Eunho away which creates more miscommunication
Yeah I think they're both fairly complex characters. Ngl they both piss me off at different points in the story so far
I think people are just so used to the sad poor bottom abused by powerful rich top that some people are accusing this of being that trope when it doesn't exactly quite fit in my opinion. I'm excited to see them both grow. I'm actually planning on reading the novel just because I'm kind of impatient lolll
YEAH SAME LMAO they are both so annoying at times and agreed, most people are so used to the stereotypes that they kind of project it into other works as well. i look forward to how hyeon and eunho will develop to pass the hurdle that is keeping them from forming a relationship
i do agree here with the fact that hyeon never realised his feelings, but eunho has never once actually showed hyeon that he cared. He doesn in his own way, but it only translates to his duties as hyeon’s manager. Hyeon, that has been abandoned and used his entire life will obviously feel a sense of separation anxiety towards the only person that sees him as a person, but what can he do when that said person is constantly keeping a wall up and always “threatens” to disappear suddenly with how detached he is to everything? all of this only slows hyeon’s development because he is so busy trying to keep eunho at his side to even think abt WHY and WHAT these feelings are… he constantly lashes out because he’s frustrated there’s nothing he can do to keep eunho by his side because he no longer has anything to offer him, while eunho also constantly pushes him away whenever he tries to be vulnerable
i think communication should go both ways, and though hyeon is a JACKASS for the constant lash outs and tantrums, eunho also has his fair share of asshole-ry
He does? That's why and how Hyeon even fall in love w him. Because he cares abt him regardless of his appearance, his status and even his manners. It has been shown way before he's a manager.
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The fair share of miscommunication he has is due to his own cowardice, not because he doesn't care, he's simply a coward.
Both of them are hella insecure, one would lash out while one would hold it in. Ofc they're doomed from the start, that's why mistakes are bounded to happen.
But that doesn't mean they can't work it out because they can and they already show that similar situation already occurred and solved in the past w their relationship
yea he shows he accepts hyeon no matter what, but he doesn’t really show him that he’ll stay by hyeon’s side and/or that he actively cared aside from doing the manager stuff — obviously i know he HAS shown hyeon that he cares for him before, but not the type of reassurance he knows hyeon needs, he purposely ignores it. and i never said his lack of actions means that he DOESNT care, i just said he doesn’t show it properly and therefore it gets misunderstood. yes, he is a coward, they both are.
and again 2x i never said they couldn’t work things out ive even left comments about how i look forward to seeing their relationship and characters develop. i was just pointing out how your reply kind of only commented on hyeon as if he was the only one at fault, when in reality eunho is equally guilty imo.
Because you said he didn't care. Like ofc he would draw the line because he's scared of crossing it.
And wdym the type of reassurance he knows Hyeon needs WHEN HYEON HAS A WHOLE CONVERSATION IN HIS HEAD SAYING HE DOESN'T KNOW WHAT EXACTLY HE'S BEING MAD FOR BECAUSE YES HE CAN APOLOGIZE BUT HE STILL DOESN'T WANT EUNHO TO BE W SOMEONE ELSE.
The point is even Hyeon doesn't even know what he truly wants, he just wants Eunho to stay by his side, be it if he's just a friend, a manger or anyone, as long as he only cares abt him. So how tf do you expect Eunho to know what he wants? You want him to solve the problem for him like he can get into his head?
Both are wrong but to say false things abt a character is not it
Agreed. Hyeon really need help. He doesn't know how to express or identify his emotions. I think he might be autistic or maybe it's just a trauma response.