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Yeah, I agree. I didn't see that Mr. Yeon was gloating to his assistant. He is so cocky.

Here we go all of a sudden y'all can tell what is SA but you can't called out su-ah abused on Juhyeok or his multiple sexual assault on Juhyeok tho.

Where r u reading this

On the official site

Uh projection much? I never said Juhyeok didn't get SA'd. My comment was abt Ch 14 so hence why I'm discussing what happened in Ch 14... JH has previously had to face unconsensual sexual acts at the hands of Suah as well. But as we can see in your comment, ppl will absolutely gloss over Suah being assaulted.

People look the other way when a top gets assaulted which I think is very indicative of how ppl treat male SA irl. If we cared about sexual assault period, people would be able to name SA instances in the whole story. Not just when it benefits your personal narrative of which character is better.

They both are male. What is crazy to me is how you want people to acknowledge su-ah was "sa" when these are the same people who look at Juhyeok being sexually assaulted and say "he is so mean to su-ah" LIKE?? Juhyeok SA and abuse is being gloss over by million of readers and y'all suddenly want to talk about sa all of a sudden?? Like is this not hypocritical rn?

who are you talking to bc ik it aint me.. i literally just acknowledged that SA happened to both of them, did i not? take your anger up against the JH-being-SA'd deniers instead?

everyone keeps saying they want readers who have a nuanced understanding of the story but when someone can see wrongs that BOTH characters have committed, which is how the author purposely wrote the story btw, no one can handle it....

and yes they're both male in this FICTIONAL story. I pointed out the parallels of this story to REAL LIFE in terms of how ppl treat male SA victims irl. Cishet men as well as gay men who top are often invalidated for their experiences, simply bc they top and therefore it's dismissed as "you can't possibly have been SA'd".

the official site! i just couldn't wait, i knew this chap was going to be full of angst (づ￣ ³￣)づ

I think you’re misunderstanding me. I’m not saying you personally denied that SA happened to both of them, and I’m not trying to attack you.

What I’m talking about is a larger pattern in the fandom. Juhyeok’s sexual assault and abuse gets minimized, joked about, or redirected into criticizing him as a person by a lot of readers. That reflects real-life victim blaming where people excuse abuse depending on who the victim is.

So when SA discussions mainly get brought up around Su-ah, it feels frustrating because Juhyeok’s experiences have already been ignored by so many readers. It’s not about dismissing Su-ah’s situation. SA is wrong regardless of who it happens to. I just want consistent acknowledgement and empathy for both of them instead of selective outrage depending on which character people prefer.

Juhyeok being SA’d isn’t treated like the elephant in the room? That’s honestly where a lot of my frustration comes from. It gets brushed aside, minimized, or turned into criticism of his behavior instead of being acknowledged as something serious so it rub me the wrong way when you say people will acknowledge su-ah SA when the chapter will drop people will completely lose all nuance and the fact that Su-ah has SA Juhyeok on multiple occasions will never be acknowledged instead this instance of Juhyeok desperation is gonna be weaponize against him. But whatever ig

im not misunderstanding anything. you came into my comment replies TWICE claiming that i don't acknowledge that juhyeok was SA'd. i responded accordingly. and now you're saying that it was just a general sentiment you had against other readers and that im misreading it as a personal response. dont think i cant see what youre trying to pull lol

i digress. i get that it's frustrating that there are a portion of readers who defend Su-ah down and act like he has done no wrong. yea they're annoying! but you also have to understand that theres a portion of readers defending juhyeok despite every bad decision he's made and they are ALSO the problem. moral of the story, someone drawing attention to SA in the story shouldn't immediately be met with "well let's ignore that and shift the convo". and giving suspicions that the ppl simply pointing out Suah's SA "can't tell" what SA actually is. like bro what..? i fear you are the suah-defender fan that you hate but reversed atp
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It's been half a day since the chap release and i have seen NO ONE talking abt Suah's SA. no one even wants to label it as SA. if anything, i can already see ppl dismissing it and saying "Suah deserves the mistreatment after what he's done to JH" (which is becoming a popular sentiment in the fandom). Which is why i wrote my original comment. as much as ppl point out that juhyeok's SA denial is bc he isn't seen as the perfect victim by readers (he isn't a prim, proper, feminine uke), some of *these same ppl* will turn around and deny Suah's SA bc he isn't seen as a perfect victim either!! (bc he's an alpha top with a masculine body). JH-defenders minimize Suah's experience and Suah-defenders minimize JH's. this rhetoric is doing BOTH sides a disservice.

also did you read the full chap at the time of commenting your first reply? bc that again feeds into the point i was making that ppl will be QUICK to IGNORE what happened to Suah. Even if they havent even read the full scene and saw how shocking it was!

OMG FINALLY!! SOMEONE WHO UNDERSTOOD THE PLOT!

Some people here are pissing me off. It’s clear they don’t even understand the plot, nor do they know what omegaverse is actually about. This is what happens when you prioritize binge-reading random yaoi instead of upgrading your reading comprehension. Y’all are just making a mess for everyone else and dragging the entire discussion down with takes that wouldn’t pass a basic literacy test.

tysm for this, i thought people with reading comprehension doesn’t exist anymore since mfs here are just so stupid i lost hope lmao

MC was supposed to be an alpha though. The doctor even said so. Its due to pheromone exposure to the top when he was young that he turned omega. And did you not see that what the alpha did to the uke is illegal? Because scenting someone who’s not their mate clearly has side effects. With those side effects, i’d consider it the irl equivalence of drugging. And plus what happened to consent. The top liked being protected. The mc doesnt. Simple.

Moreover, the mc was never the damsel in distress. He’s strong. He works hard to be strong. He can protect himself. The only reason he can’t protect himself is because the top scenting him for the long term makes his heat cycle unpredictable. So the top is the one making him ‘the damsel in distress’.

That time his heat came out of nowhere. Was that mc’s fault? No. Its the top. He cant even use drugstore suppressant. He have to use specialised suppressants to control his heat. And obviously those suppressants arent easy to get given that his pharma ceo parent cant obtain enough to ensure that he always have it on hand, if not that heat incident wouldnt have happened.

No matter how hypocritical the mc seems like, i dont see any excuse for the top’s actions which could have put the mc in actual danger.

I am sick and tired of readers blaming Suah for turning Juhyeok into an omega. THIS IS NOT CANON and the author has not written one scene alluding to it. Unless the author officially writes this in a later chap, it is unfair to make such a huge jump in logic to blame Suah. Suah (seme) is in the same position as JH -- his entire family are omegas and he was supposed to be one too. When it comes to Suah's case, everyone can assume "the pre-screenings were wrong", "family lineage isn't enough to determine your secondary sex", and "it must've been a coincidence". But with JH, yall throw away that VERY SAME logic and assume that someone must have forcefully changed uke's gender???

If you had read to the end of my original post, you'd see that I say Suah is wrong for unconsensually scenting MC and I never excused his behaviour. I agree that his scenting has caused MC many issues and this should not be glossed over. The thing is.. I can hold this position about Suah while still being able to also critique aspects of JH's character too. That's the beauty of.. NUANCE and critical thinking.

I am commenting on MC's hypocritical behaviour. A strict gender role dynamic is inherently going to be unfair to whoever is the omega and beneficial to the alpha. MC was fine and dandy with a relationship involving said dynamic, so long as HE was the one that was the masculine alpha. And after being confronted with the reality where he would be perceived as the feminine "wife" to Suah by society, he completely revoked all love for Suah. Which is indeed hypocritical and places an unhealthy conditional type of love on Suah. Readers can sympathize with this/call it out without taking away the fact that Suah's love for JH is also very unhealthy!!

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Final note: I said MC is now the **metaphorical** damsel. Because JH was the one who established this dynamic as kids that the strong alpha protects the omega. So **metaphorically**, their roles have shifted.

Ok i dont really care about the pre-screenings that much, but it is pretty much alluded that the top is at fault. If it was that common for a different secondary gender to be presented by a family, nobody would be shocked. But it is not the top’s choice so whatever.

What i’m getting at is the fact that people have preferences and his treatment of the top is justified. Unlike the top, who turns into a stalker and a sexual assaulter just because he was rejected. He is the very definition of the bane of the mc’s life.

And you said you never excuse the top’s behaviour but your post make it seem like their actions are on the same level.

My post was discussing MC's behaviour. So yeah it's focused on.. discussing MC's behaviour. I knew ppl would think I'm defending Suah's actions when I never said one word defending the man, so I PURPOSELY wrote a disclaimer saying that I also don't agree with Suah's scenting and he's wrong for that. Yall will read that and STILL say "well you made it seem like their actions were on the same level". Critical thinking guys I beg.

JH retaliating against what Suah views as protection and "is best for him" is totally valid! JH has his own autonomy. Whether he wants to wear a collar or wtv else is his own decision. He shouldn't have anyone trying to interfere with that. Again, I never argued against this bc that wasn't the topic of my original post. However multiple truths can exist at once. We can see that MC's reason for abandoning his love for Suah is derived from internalized misogyny and his inability to accept that he is an omega. Objectively this hypocritical behaviour and operating out of a place of internalized misogyny IS wrong.

Yes, but you said he shouldnt be getting scot-free with his behaviour like he’s doing something harmful? Like notice how he was never the one approaching the top initially. Whatever he was doing to the top was a reaction to the top’s stalking and creepy actions. So what kinda karma should he be getting for treating a stalker the way they should be treated.

Idk what you would consider a chase arc but from what I recall (i havent reread in a while) there isn't much of one. Its kinda a "i like you" "i dont" "oh ok" they still have to work together and seme kinda realizes his feelings.

But id let someone who reread it recently fact check that.

I second this, uke is kinda just there for the flow, seme actually does a lot more communicating though he tries to work through it

I don’t think it was anything too particularly “abusive” but that’s in comparison to the many that I’ve read

Lot of back and forth as seme tries to work with uke and get uke to communicate more solidly imo, uke is a bit muddle headed

I would recommend reading the novel if you don't want spoilers. 5X times more satisfying