The ex isn’t nice at all. He literally had no feelings for her whatsoever after 6 years of being together and almost getting married. He just proved that with this chapter. He didn’t care whether they got back together or not. He didn’t care whether she started dating someone else or not. He even didn’t care whether they got married or not. He’s doing everything for her like it’s some sort of favour and he’s treating it like it’s someone else’s business. If he was actually nice he would’ve broken up with her long ago before wasting 6 years of her life since he clearly doesn’t have any romantic feelings for her. He’s just trying to be the nice guy but doesn’t realise what he’s doing is down right shitty. She’s a nice girl. She deserves to know the truth and she deserves to be with someone who actually loves her and not just doing her a favour like she’s some charity case.
Yeah he thinks he's being nice because he's letting her do what she wants ಠᴥಠ but in reality he just doesn't care about her ತ_ʖತ
Girl you explained this so well that I had to let you know lol.
Rightt hes so full of himself its like “im doing you a favour by dating you”
People in these comments need to understand that although what J.J did is very wrong and in no way excusable what Leo is doing is even worse. There is a limit to how much disrespect a person can tolerate. In fact Leo is the main problem in their relationship. Leo has reduced J.J from a boyfriend to a sex toy that he can have his way with whenever and wherever. In addition to a sex toy, Leo also treats J.J like a secretary. J.J is not Leo’s bitch and someone he can walk all over. He is Leo’s boyfriend and not only does he deserve love but also respect. Just because J.J was kind to Leo and helped him out is his life Leo took advantage of his kindness. Why does Leo have to be told by other people and J.J himself that he shouldn’t treat J.J like a sex toy and secretary? Does he have no common sense at all? Does he have zero awareness of how to treat his own boyfriend with even minimum amount of decency and respect? Even if Leo has no common sense and zero awareness people around him(like his manager, friends and sisters etc) have been telling him for years to treat J.J properly or he will lose him. Although it’s not shown in the manhwa till now but judging from the story I’m pretty sure even J.J himself has tried to tell him multiple times. Leo is just not interested in listening because he’s too self absorbed. He’s behaving like J.J brought that breakup out of nowhere and without communicating anything when clearly it’s indicated that Leo choose to ignore the signs. J.J also probably gave up seeing Leo’s behaviour and I don’t blame him because J.J is also human. He has a heart and he’s badly hurt too. He’s seeing that Leo has absolutely no consideration for him and he’s given up because he is exhausted and no longer has the strength. He probably broke up with Leo after thinking it over and over again and it definitely took a lot of strength to leave Leo since their lives are so entwined with each other. Even after their breakup J.J kept hope that maybe Leo would finally understand now and be willing to communicate with him and make a change for them but Leo further humiliated J.J by confirming that indeed J.J was nothing but a sex toy to him. Here J.J is worried sick about Leo after the accident and blaming himself for distracting Leo and there Leo is reducing their years of relationship to nothing but rubble. J.J then finally snapped and treated Leo like he was treating him. It’s true that J.J was too rough and there is no excuse for his behaviour. What J.J did is wrong but he literally reached his breaking point. I’m not defending J.J at all for that incident but I’m simply providing context because context indeed does matter. In regards to context, I would also like to point out that Leo knew J.J disliked sex outside and yet he still pushed J.J to have sex with him outside in the starting chapter(an example of how Leo never took J.J into consideration and only cared about himself). Finally in the current chapter J.J has no intention of making Leo jealous. In fact he’s actively trying to get as far away from Leo as possible(maybe even moving to Germany as suggested by the German language book) and cutting ties step by step. Leo is the one who’s hounding J.J for sex not the other way around. Seeing the direction the story is going in it’s pretty clear that even the sex will come to an end soon and J.J will be long gone before Leo comes to his senses.
The only person I feel bad for in this story is Su-ae. Not only did Eunhyeok abandon her and ghost her but contrary to popular opinion I think Dohwa also abandoned her without saying anything. In the case of Eunhyeok, I understand he must have a very good reason for leaving and I know it’s not typical Eunhyeok behaviour but it doesn’t change the fact that he left her without saying anything. He ghosted her for a literal decade. She literally waited for him for so many years but when it finally crossed the threshold she gave up. He didn’t explain anything to her at any given point in the last 10 years. Even if he couldn’t or wouldn’t explain anything to her, the least he could do was have the courtesy to text her he’s leaving or that he’s breaking up with her. He could even just send an anonymous letter at any time during the last 10 years and simply only say I’m sorry but he didn’t even do that. He did nothing. He completely and utterly abandoned her despite knowing how much she loved him. Do you even understand what that can do to a person? It breaks a person completely. It makes them lose all confidence, all hope. It fills them with hatred and resentment. It makes them think they won’t ever get anything because they don’t deserve anything . It pollutes every good and loving memory you both once shared together. Seeing grown Su-ae that is indeed the case. In the case of Dohwa, I know he loved Su-ae a lot . I know he was heartbroken and hurting because Su-ae didn’t return his love but was that all she was to him? A love interest? If that love isn’t reciprocated does that mean you just up and leave without saying anything to that very love interest? Wasn’t she his friend before he started loving her? Wasn’t she always there for him whenever he needed her? Wasn’t she willing to do anything for Dohwa? Is that what she deserved from someone she considered her friend? It’s within Dohwa’s right to leave if he’s hurting too much. It’s also within Dohwa’s right to never talk to Su-ae again if he doesn’t want to but it’s also within Su-ae’s right to be hurt by her friend who abandoned her without saying anything. She deserved the courtesy to be told he’s leaving . She may have not loved Dohwa romantically but she did love Dohwa as a friend. Dohwa knew that. She never knowingly hurt him. She always tried to protect him. Even after knowing Dohwa’s feelings she never tried to deceive him and give him false hope. She would’ve tried to make things right with him if he stayed or at least told her he was leaving but he didn’t. He choose to be selfish and tend to his broken heart only. He reduced Su-ae to being his love interest only and forgot that she was his friend first and love interest later. He forgot that his friend could have her heart broken by him too. That’s what common between Eunhyeok and Dohwa. They both abandoned her while only thinking about their situation and their own broken heart. They forgot about Su-ae and her broken heart. If they both couldn’t stay the least they could do was have the minimum amount of courtesy and respect for her and tell her they were leaving. Both didn’t do that. Both never once contacted her in 10 years. She loved them both in her own way. They both betrayed her trust and love. Su-ae is always getting betrayed by people she loves and trusts most like her ex-boyfriend, her step/foster sister Raim, Eunhyeok and Dohwa. Eunhyeok and Dohwa both made her lose faith in ever being loved. She stayed single for 10 whole years because of the damage they both did to her. It doesn’t matter whose better now between Eunhyeok and Dohwa because they both hurt her deeply in different ways. She deserves better. She deserves to be loved and respected. She deserves to be happy.
As much as i love eunhyeok, i agree with this. Suae might as well end up with someone else, not eunhyeok, not dohwa.
Thank you for this. At some point I wanted Dohwa and Soo-ae to end up together but this made me realize he really hurt her as well. It's the bullshit "friendzone" all over again, which equates to Soo-ae being only good for a fuck and love zone, which is very belittling for the friendship she shared with him.
I want dohwa to meet another girl. (I'm afraid that he would end up being a rebound TT) (He should end up with me ><)
exactly eunhyuk hurt her beyond repair, no reason will ever ever make her trust him again. he was her first boyfriend, her first commitment, her first love, her bestfriend. eunhyuk has to grovel on a nail of beds on his barefeet to get one ounce of her trust and spend an eternity gaining all of it back but she deserves more.
Rebound doesn't sound so bad with the right conditions and progress, as long as they are the end game. But knowing that he ghosted Soo-ae for not returning his romantic feelings is off.
Dohwa ending up with y/n is good too hahaha
From what I understand, they aren’t vampires at all. There is no such thing as a vampire in real life in this story. From fairytales it’s understood that being a vampire means you’re technically dead but you’re body is still alive meaning you don’t really have a soul anymore. It also means you remain ageless and feed on human blood as food. Being a vampire also means you’re a different species now. What Megi said is that they are basically not vampires at all but immortal beings with cursed blood meaning they are basically humans that are cursed with immortality because of their blood. They don’t feed on blood for food but because they want to dilute the cursed blood and lose their immortality and become complete humans again. The cursed blood is like a venom to them. Fangs isn’t the name of a species but the name of the knight’s order who were the first to become immortal by having their blood cursed. This knight’s order was led by a Royal along with his guard. The knight’s order became immortal to save their country. Why and how they actually became immortal and what their actual purpose is will be revealed in volume 4. In regards to Megi’s and Ichi’s past, Megi actually formed a harem of vampires as an experiment. He turned regular humans by force into fangs and then made them a part of his harem by using his “charm”(special ability) which could enslave people(brainwash them). The fangs in his harem would only feed blood from Megi and Megi would only feed blood from them. Megi abused the fangs from his harem in all sorts of ways using his charm. He made them kill countless humans, do a number of other unspeakable things as well as most likely sexually assault them. Megi’s main aim with his harem was to dilute the concentration of his cursed blood so that he can die as a human (because the fangs believe that the more blood they drink the more diluted the cursed blood becomes hence purifying them from immortality). Ichi was also a part of Megi’s harem. He hated Megi and wanted to kill him. When Ichi had a moment of clarity when Megi wasn’t using his charm on him he decided to poison Megi and kill him. Megi has very sharp senses and noticed right away. He timely took out the poison from his blood. To punish Ichi for trying to kill him Megi himself used that poison to kill every member of his harem except for Ichi. His harem had more than 100 fangs. Ichi was the only survivor of the harem. Since Megi killed countless innocent fangs just to punish Ichi he was sentenced to fang prison where they are starved and punished forever. Ichi felt guilty for being the reason Megi killed those innocent fangs who were in the same situation as him so he decided to join the fangs public division of welfare to help the other fangs. Presently, Megi escaped from his prison and he wanted to form another harem again for his purification experiment. That’s the reason he turned En. Although Megi did escape to form another harem he also has some other motive and objective that we are yet to be aware of. All we know for now is that Megi’s other motive has something to do with a specific stone and their cursed blood. It will also be revealed in the next volume. Megi is caught again by the Royal who led the original knighthood of fangs. Since fangs can’t actually kill each other themselves ethically(Megi didn’t kill his harem directly. He fed them poison which in turn killed them. Killing fangs by poison is most likely not accept by fangs.) the Royal decided to erase Megi’s memory as punishment because not only did Megi escape from prison but again killed countless innocent humans and fangs again(He most likely killed fangs using poison again).
you've typed it all so fast while having such organized thoughts.. i aspire to become more like you hun ☆ that was so insightful!
Thank you for this!! I had trouble organising all the history revealed in this volume, this helped a lot!! I wonder if others, besides his pair, know that Utsugi is royal? (๑•ㅂ•)و✧
I hate that his punishment was so simple? Like he was evil and doing villainous acts and he only got a slap on the wrist?
Now he won’t even remember his bad actions and he doesn’t have to face the consequences of them
Well megi wanted to die so killing him would just mean granting his wish, besides making him live on while still bearing the curse is already a punishment for him,
at first I thought that why can't they just tie him up and leave him outside until the sun rises but it seems like the og fangs are probably immune to the effects of the sun unlike their predecessors
The only problem I have is that if I was ichii in that situation I could have bonk megi's head a couple more times out of spite cause bonking him only once isn't enough for all the shit he did
Tbh they’re just going to have him repeat his past mistakes if he’s a new person again because that’s in him, it’s his personality lowkey. He just victimizes himself. The other “vampires” also suffer. They don’t go do extreme acts like him.
This is literally a slap on the wrist considering he does not have to hold the memories of his terrible actions AND no consequences faces.
Well yea if he wants to die, why didn’t he just k*ll himself. He wanted other ppl to suffer too. Granting his wish would be good idc if that was what he wanted. Good riddance.
I doubt he'll repeat himself, actually.
With the erasure of his memories, there are two important things he has forgotten :
1. He isn't a vampire, but a human with cursed blood ;
2. There is a highness & his captain.
It means two things :
1. He won't create an harem, since his sole goal w it was to purge the poison out of his blood, blood he has no idea is "infected" ,
2. He won't reach out to the two to know what it is he must do. We can guess that he'll just pursue life as an idle vampire then. (well, i sure hope so)
=> doesn't mean it's a good punishment, but it does render him less powerful.
Now, he didn't kill himself, for the simple reason that he had a goal : to go back to being human. Now that he has forgotten about it, he might as well kill himself later on, indeed.
Wdym he’s not a vampire? Isn’t a human with cursed blood the same thing? Since “vampires” don’t really exist in this universe just curse humans turned “monsters”. I mean I guess it’s good he won’t be able to repeat his pst mistakes but I’m betting if he had the power to do it, he would do it again. Like I said it seems like his personality is victimizing himself. Also who knows since the royals literally let him get away with so much shit and also gave him this shitty ass punishment. No justice served to the ppl he made suffered at ALL.
Girl idk what you’re saying tbh, first you say he’s not a vampire and then later you say he’s a vampire but an idle one. Ik why he didn’t k*ll himself, bc he’s a selfish piece of shit that wants others to suffer with him for his ideal death blah blah and ik this makes him significantly less powerful obviously. Tbh idk why ur saying the obvious. my whole argument was his punishment was doodoo and he basically got redemption and u somewhat agree w me so idk why u replied to me lol
People need to understand she’s not behaving like a child. She has been abused and kept in seclusion all her life. She’s just unaware and innocent. The male lead is the greenist flag ever.
She is behaving like a child purposely so people will think she is crazy and incapable to comprehend common sense. That's her method of survival. By pretending to be crazy and childish. Mentally ill. The fact that she tried so hard and still abused that she really lost her common sense or she might not know what real common sense is.. break me so hard. She was just a child trying to survive. That might be the best method she can think at that time. And keeping up with it since there's no turning back. But she still got abused nevertheless. I can't imagine what people will do with her if they know that she is actually normal. *Ugly cry *
I’m talking about her behaviour with the main lead.
The comments on this manga are weird. The story was pretty good. So what if the uke used to sell his body? He started it because he couldn’t find decent work for himself and was abandoned by his parents and left to fend for himself since high school. He stopped selling himself as soon as the seme came and never cheated on him. He literally quit his job for the seme despite the uke literally being penniless just because the seme said so. So how are the comments making uke out to be the bad guy and a whore? In addition, there have been multiple mangas where the tops are either porn stars, prostitutes, hosts, rental boyfriends etc who don’t quit their jobs even when start dating the bottoms and I’ve never seen such negative comments on those mangas. People are so full of hypocrisy.
Omg yea, I didn't mention this in my comment and honestly I should hav, but Nao I feel like is one of the most respectful depictions of sex workers in media I think I've seen that's also viewed in a serious AND positive light by the characters themselves?? Like, Nao, someone who was left alone after his mom and dad abandoned him and got imprisoned respectively, attempted to find work. When he wasn't able to do regular jobs, likely do to his age, physical condition(cus he was being neglected as a child and presumably not fed well, since Eric comments on Nao having slender/fragile ankles and wrists when they were kids), and education/experience, he then went to sex work as a last resort. He's been doing it for years to keep himself afloat becuz he has no other job experience, and as soon as someone he cares about shows concern for him regarding his phsyical/mental health and safety, he IMMEDIATELY STOPS. Doesn't argue, doesn't try to lecture Eric about how he has no business sticking his nose in his work(which he would've had every right to do in this instance), doesn't say no, just stops. Then, after being celibate for the first time since high-school(he's 21 so that's anywhere from 3 to 5 years depending on when it started, I don't remember if he mentioned what age he was when he started), discovers he has developed a dependency in turns of the physical intimacy. The only issue I hav is Nao touching Eric when Eric clearly didn't want to do something like that with someone he wasn't in a relationship with/had mutual feelings with. Nao crossed a line there and you see him wrestling with that guilt, which is also kind of nuanced considering how many SA scenes will happen in BLs and then never be mentioned ever again or worse, the victim takes the blame for it more often than not. But Eric never looks down on Nao for being a sex worker, and Kaoru is also a good friend while ALSO being a sex worker AND a client, which is also something u don't always see in BL. Usually when there's a friend like that they end up being some kind of antagonistic force in the plot trying to pull the character back into self destructive habits, but Kaoru is so sweet and emotionally aware and a good sounding board for both characters and a lot of this story is really refreshing????
TL;DR These comments are kinda off, the double standard is crazy, and Nao is actually really well written and understandable as a character/individual.
Exactly. Finally someone who understands!!
I think people judge this story from an ordinary person’s point of view. The fact of the matter is that every character in this story is anything but ordinary. The characters and we(regular people) live two very different lives. Their lives, beliefs and ideology meaning basically everything is so vastly different from us that we can’t begin to comprehend it. Uichi and Akitora are characters with a few screws loose even in that kind of world. They both embrace their uniqueness wholeheartedly. Morality is not something that is on their radar. Akitora cheating on Asami isn’t a deal breaker because Asami knows Akitora well enough already. She knows that Uichi and Akitora are two sides of the same coin. She also knows Akitora isn’t the type to be swayed by light feelings and that Akitora loves her completely too but just in a different way than Uichi. She’s not heart broken over it because she loves Akitora completely too and doesn’t see it as her loosing her place or Akitora’s love. She’s not mad at Uichi because she understands where his and Akitora’s feelings are coming for and is okay with it. She’s a very strong woman who took on the task of being a yakuza boss’s wife so don’t take her lightly. Uichi is messed up in the head and did something terrible to Tatsuyuki. In the normal world that is something that won’t ever be forgiven and rightfully so but we forget they don’t live the same regular lives we do. Something that is unforgivable for us is not something they can’t move on from because they already live in darkness on the daily and they like it. This is the life they willing choose. Akitora himself is messed up in the head. He doesn’t care what happened to Taysuyuki as long as he has accepted his role willingly. Akitora’s father was like this to him too and he still liked him and wanted to surpass him. So he just thinks that this is part of Tatsuyuki growing up. Also I feel like Akitora does have a vague idea what happened to Tatsuyuki but is still okay with moving forward because again he sees this as just part of Tatsuyuki becoming aware of his responsibilities. So, if you like to read stories with characters who live in the white or light grey then this is not for you. This story is about people in the dark grey and black. I personally like it because of its uniqueness from all other mangas.
only one word « LOOOOOUDER ».
U R AMAZING
I think this was well said. The story isn’t to everyone’s liking and I get that. Truly. But it was perfect to me and I think it helped redeem Rogi just a little in my eyes.
We get that they are morally grey. One thing about Uichi and Akitora is that they deeply respected Asami and Uichi to do what he did and Akitora to just dismiss it when that’s the son she risked her life to protect (they all did) is just no. Guillotine. Right now.
It’s pretty unforgivable, what Uichi did to Tatsuyuki, especially when he knew him as a baby. In my head, going back to that scene, I think covering Tatsuyuki’s eyes (which were like his mother’s) was a way to distance himself from what he was doing. I think if that situation was completely omitted from the story, it would be perfect. I skip that part every time.
Yep yep. And from this story we have a background of Uichi, despite causing unfavourable situations, doesn’t intentionally do it from a place of malice. But in Yondaime, he KNEW what he was doing and knew it was wrong. There is a disconnect. With the way he was portrayed in Yondaime, it’s best if he was a villain with just a soft spot for his daughter. Still fuck Akitora tho
WELL FUCKING SAID
Okay I’m just going to say it, those people who have a problem with Shahid and the manga in general should just stop reading it already instead of going to the comments section on every update and ruining the whole vibe and feeling for the rest of us. You’re also greatly discouraging new readers. If you don’t like the characters or the story just don’t read it anymore. Why do you have to ruin it for everyone else?
Also in the case of Shahid you people need to stop being so biased without even trying to understand him. People have been trying to assassinate him his entire life since he was a child. At one point, assassins even made a game out of trying to kill him as shown in the manga. He has never known his father and his mother was killed when we was very young. His friends were killed. He was abandoned by the royal family and was essentially all alone. He was barely ever given permission to leave the country or city. He’s been trapped in a cage all his life waiting to be killed. Do you think that sort of thing isn’t stressful or doesn’t have any effect on people? People expect him to be perfect but forget his situation completely. Yes, Shahid used to sleep around a lot but the reason is because he tries to find comfort in physical touch. Physical touch gives him the surety that he’s indeed still alive. A lot of people with trauma are like that. Shahid sleeping around shouldn’t be an issue because he was not in a relationship. Also since Shahid came to Kinard’s mansion in the middle of the story he has stopped sleeping with others. Yes, he’s been in love with Yesing for a while but he still slept around because he always believed that Yesing loved Kinard and not him. Even the flashbacks show why Shahid always thought Yesing prefers someone like Kinard rather than him. Shahid doesn’t have a lot of self esteem despite his looks. Him treating Yesing like a child also has something to do with him not being able to openly declare his love to Yesing because again he thought Yesing loved someone else. Also Shahid unconsciously keeps treating Yesing like that. To an outsider you can clearly see that Shahid is in love but since he himself behaves like that unconsciously he doesn’t think anyone notices. Also 4 years ago Shahid had faced yet another assassination attempt and was drugged out of his mind to manage both the physical and emotional pain. Of course this doesn’t excuse what he did to Yesing but at the same time he couldn’t control what he was doing. It’s not entirely his fault. Also 4 years ago although Shahid was a little rough, Yesing was actually enjoying it in the beginning. It only started bothering Yesing when he thought Shahid was imagining someone else instead of Yesing and Yesing didn’t want Shahid to think of him as one of his fuck buddies because Yesing also loves Shahid. Even presently the only issue Yesing has is that he thinks Shahid just wants to have sex with him and no relationship when we all know that isn’t the case. There’s miscommunication between them which will be clear in the following chapters (I’ve seen the raws).
Finally someone who understands shahid character so well
You explain all the point so well wow
VERY WELL SAID!! LOUDER!!
God I love you sm I could just smooch your forehead!!
Let me just give you smooches because finally someone who actually understands his perspective too. He TOO IS A HUMAN and try facing half of what he did then we will see how bad Shahid is ffs. But yes tysm for understanding him. He is too cute and such a well written charecter
Have been wanting to say it Thank u so much for explaining
GOD I HAVE BEEN DYING THROUGHOUT THE WHOLE 82 FUCKING CHAPTERS FOR SOMEONE TO SAY THIS. KING/GUEEN I BOW IN FRONT OF YOU THANK YOU SO SO MUCH FOR FINALLY SAYING THIS
"Also 4 years ago although Shahid was a little rough, Yesing was actually enjoying it in the beginning. It only started bothering Yesing when he thought Shahid was imagining someone else instead of Yesing"
A little rough? His ass was bleeding. He wasn't prepared. He was being forced. He was raped. I don't care if he was drugged. Who gets drugged and rapes someone? This sounds like the typical excusing of the behavior of these shit rapist semes.
that's literally a good script to use for another toxic bl manhwa and we're here for that. we love to see pookie glorifying and rationalizing a hot grapist. i mean 83 people approved it so why not? but it's just so funny how a lot of people have an understanding and empathy with someone like him, but not with the victim. it's always a fun experience hearing thoughts like this it makes me realize people are really capable to think something like this. it's amazing. keep it up
Of course his ass was bleeding because it was his literal first time without the painstaking preparation beforehand. That’s why I said he was indeed rough but still if you actually read the chapter you clearly see despite it being rough Yesing got used to it and started enjoying it. It bothered Yesing when he thought Shahid was actually imagining someone else. That’s when Yesing got aggressive. Again even after 4 years Yesing isn’t much bothered by the sex itself but rather by the thought that Shahid imagined someone else and not Yesing. He believed maybe Shahid loved someone else. Also you need to remember this is not some manga set in the modern era but a period manga. Some concepts that modern folk can’t accept were the norm in that time. It doesn’t make it okay but we can’t expect a character in period settings to think of things like a person in the 21st century. That’s literally impossible. Of course what Shahid did 4 years ago is not right by any means but again it’s also not entirely his fault either. Being drugged out of his mind literally means he lost the ability to actually be able think clearly and control his actions. Shahid thought he was having sex with a prostitute that he paid for. He’s drugged beyond measure and to him in that state since it’s a prostitute that he paid for and that came to Shahid’s room himself willingly while he’s vulnerable means that it’s okay to have sex. He didn’t recognise Yesing and anyone else at that moment because he’s drugged, emotional(because of the attempted assassination) and is also very hurt. The dude doesn’t even remember what he did all those years go. Drugs in those times were also more potent. I’m not trying to excuse Shahid. I’m also saying what he did 4 years ago was indeed wrong but I’m also saying you just can’t categorise his actions as only being black or white. He’s in the grey area. That’s why I suggest people to actually try to critically think while reading such stories because characters in such stories are always morally grey. You literally can’t judge them because the characters have been through so much shit that it’s impossible to expect them character to be 100% normal and perfect when they’ve gone through what they have gone through. If people think that always living life on hard mode has no consequences what so ever on one’s personality and mentality then they are dead wrong. If stories with such morally grey characters are not your cup of tea it’s actually okay to drop them but please stop ruining the experience for everyone else who actually can think critically enough and who actually want to read these stories.
This comment tells me you didn’t read my comment and the story carefully enough. First of all I’m not glorifying a rapist. I’m not excusing Shahid’s action at all. I began my rant by saying what he did 4 years ago was indeed wrong but I’m also saying he’s not entirely at fault. I will again explain why I’m saying that. To start with Shahid was again almost assassinated. He was very hurt and was drugged out his mind to deal with the physical and emotional pain. Being that drugged means he lost the ability to clearly think and control his actions. When Yesing came into Shahid’s room(despite being told not to go) Shahid could not even recognise Yesing’s face. That’s how intoxicated he was. Shahid didn’t intoxicate himself. He wasn’t given the drugs for fun. He was given the drugs in that high of an amount because he was in pain. Also Shahid thought it was a prostitute(that he paid for) that came to his room willingly when he’s already emotional and vulnerable. Of course again that doesn’t mean his actions were okay and that he shouldn’t be punished but again it also means he wasn’t entirely at fault because we know from the manga Shahid wouldn’t do that to anyone especially Yesing if he could actually think and understand what was happening. He doesn’t even remember what happened all those years ago. Also drugs in those times were essentially more potent then they are now. In regards to Yesing I’m not blaming him the least. I’m also saying Shahid was undoubtedly rough with Yesing 4 years ago. But again from the manga we know that although Shahid was rough Yesing actually started to enjoy it. What infuriated him was the thought that Shahid was imagining someone else and not Yesing. Yesing thought that Shahid was using him as a substitute. This is when Yesing got aggressive, started hating it and was rightfully upset. Even after 4 years Yesing isn’t bothered by the sex but by the thought that Shahid is seeing Yesing as a substitute and as a sex friend and nothing else. Hewing thinks that Shahid is only interested in the sex and not a relationship. This is still the main factor that is making Yesing upset.
People should understand that firstly this is not a modern story but a period/historical story. Concepts that modern people think are unacceptable were the norm in those times. It doesn’t make it okay but such was the mentality of those times because they didn’t know any better. We can’t expect characters in those time periods to think of things like people from the 21st century. That’s impossible. Values and mentality are too different because of the time period. Secondly characters in such stories are always morally grey. We can never categorise them into black and white only because thats not how the world is. These characters grow in unthinkable and harsh circumstances while doing unthinkable things. We can’t expect them to be completely normal and perfect. We can’t expect them to be “completely green flags” because that’s not how they lived. They lived their entire lives on hard mode and if we think that wouldn’t affect their personality and mentality then we’re dead wrong. These stories require readers to be able to critically think and understand the context and settings. If such stories are too dark and not your cup of tea then don’t read them but don’t discourage people just because you can’t think critically. You want to read bl where you don’t need to think at all be my guest because there is no storage of those. Don’t expect people to agree with you just because you lack understanding and diversity. It’s also fun to see people like you who are so biased and so devoid of the ability to analyse things and critically think for themselves that they can’t even hear an opinion that is different from their one dimensional understanding.
i've read your comment thoroughly and it's just sad how it minimizes the struggle and what yesing went through by saying it's not shahid entirely fault and using excuses like his trauma and drugs. you're contradicting your own opinion by excusing him and trying to rationalize what he did. i'm here for thinking critically about the dimensions of character, but when people try to excuse a toxic behavior and saying what he did isn't a r4p3. either he was drugged or not it's still r4p3 even the translator and the author acknowledged it why could not people like you who think critically? someone who think critically wouldn't even try to rationalize what a perpetrator did and try to minimize the struggle of victim. if you think i'm not thinking critically by siding with the victim then i apologize for not reaching your expectation and disagreeing with you. tbh, i would rather be petty and stick to my first comment because i know people like you wouldn't just get it and it's not like i'm here to change your opinion.
either way, i apologize if i said something harsh i was disheartened by it. you have totally a point and it all makes sense. i agree with your observation and how rational you are, but if being like that means minimizing and altering the truth then i would rather be petty and nonsensical by defending the victim. it's not like i don't want you to empathize and understand shahid because i know how hard it is to go through these things. no one deserves it not even a child. i'm fully aware of his circumstances and his stand point, but using it to minimize and not acknowledging what happened to yesing is where i draw the line.
Nah, gurl don't bother explaining at all. It's a waste of time. You know the girls that get it, get it and the girls that don't don't
well said warrior
And he's a rapist
This is very boring. The characters are very unrealistic and the story is so one dimensional. The main character’s whole clan got massacred without any solid proof and he’s like “It’s okay, move on”. Even if it has been 50 years, there’s no way there won’t be any resentment and hatred. The male lead is also so one dimensional. He just carried out his father’s order and didn’t protest at all. Literally killed the family of the person he loved and we’re supposed to pity him? Someone is the comments mentioned the male lead is like Itachi when in reality he couldn’t be any further away from Itachi. Itachi did what he did for the good of his village, not clan. He always prioritised the greater good. He did what he did with conviction, resolve and understanding the consequences of his actions wholeheartedly, not solely because someone ordered him to do it. He never said he was used and he never played the victim. He understood the gravity of what he had done. He even admitted he was a sinner and that maybe there was another way to prevent the outcome he had feared. Itachi was a very complex character and so well written while this male lead comes no where even close to Itachi’s shadow. This male lead did as he was ordered to and fled from taking responsibility. He also hoped to be forgiven and played as though he was a victim too. He never even tried another way. He didn’t even put up a fight.
oki thank you!!
For some of us Itachi is what this ML is to you. I don’t know if you only watched the anime, but in the manga is incredible simple, they ordered him to kill his clan, which he didn’t like, not to the point to kill them but he was on Konoha side not Uchiha’s. That’s all lol. For some of us he was just a plot devices because aside for providing a background for Sasuke, Uchiha’s mass murder didn’t affected Konoha reputation nor any other character aside from Sasuke, this is not mentioned as something important in the polical sense throughout the manga at all. They killed an entire clan on one night without any consequence.
Obviously you don’t have to like this manga, its fine, but the comparison you are doing makes no sense because in the same way that for you Itachi is ‘complex’ which is completely valid by the way, for many Itachi is nothing more than a one dimensional plot devices. Not to mention that the mass murder of clans is very common in chinese stories or chinese settings. sometimes it is taken as something serious and sometimes not so much, because as i said it is a very common trope. Not to mention that this manga is ongoing, the topic will be brought up in the future. At the moment they met again (after 50 years) for something that is definitely related to the killing of the clan.