First one was good, second one is just a man buys a slave, slave was drugged by some sort of aphrodisiac by the people who sold him, dude who bought him raped him, second one was shit
My only gripe I have with this manga (that I can remember) is that when sex was brought up the first time, the uke asked something like, who’s bottoming?, the seme said ME, no discussion, no asking what the uke wanted, no, maybe we can both try it and see what we like, just, it’s going to be ME, deal with it, end of discussion, a demand really. And then later uke said maybe I can try topping later, and the top said yeah sure, with a (lie) attached to that speech bubble, it seemed to be played off for comedy, but, that’s just shitty in my opinion, and it happens quite a lot in bl mangas where one mc is just forced or pushed into being the bottom without their needs or wants taken into account, even if they bring up wanting to also try topping on multiple occasions, and it’s usually not seen a a big deal, but, I think it is a big deal, it’s just something that always bothers me when i see it happen.
And I’m not saying that it isn’t fine for someone not to want to bottom, but, if both parties don’t want to, why does one always have to sacrifice what they want and what they are comfortable with to please their partner, when there’re plenty of ways to have a healthy sex life without penetration. I just think it’s unfair that one side has to compromise, and stay in that compromise for their entire relationship.
100% agree.
IMO most BL authors just follow the usual tropes and arent that interested in having a broader representation of IRL gay sex. BL/Yaoi is viewed like a mdia genre own its own, with tropes and formulas that the readers expect to see for it to be part of the genre. Thats why I believe authors dont go further then what we see here, the vast majority of BL have strict tops and bottoms with penetration and that its just whats expected.
But I'll say, I looove this one. Even with the top pushing his role, he was veeeery kind, patient and worried about his partners pleasure. (Which should be normal but you dont see tops like this very often)
I like reading about reversible couples because it has a better chance of portraying more healthy discussions about topping and bottoming.
But even then, a good chunk of reversible BLs ive read are between two guys who both don't want to bottom. I have neeeeever seen a BL where they decide there wont be any penetration. That would be so good to see, but i think the chances are slim.
Seme SA’s uke twice, and uke acts and looks like a child, uke is annoying but seme is a piece of shit.
That hand job on the couch was dub-con at best, and didn’t the professor hire him only after he saw his crying face which he was attracted to, and yes he disclosed he was gay (not saying he has an obligation to)but, the issue isn’t him being gay it’s that he’s interested in the uke, that’s what he should have disclosed if he was going to disclose something ,but. if a 19 year girl was hired by a professor because he was interested in her, and pushed her down on the couch, saying if you want advice you have to hug me everyday and all that other obvious grooming behavior, would that still be sweet and cute?
Because to me, it was creepy no matter the gender
Am I the only one who thought the professor is creepy, and just because it was the uke who confessed first, doesn’t make it not bad? And you can argue the uke is an adult so it’s legal, but just because it’s technically legal doesn’t make it morally right, he 19, teen is still in his age, and grooming can be of any age
i thought that the uke is super cute, too. and when he was about to enter that room, i knew it would be that professor. i almost hoped that it could someone his age. because teacher - student? no, thanks. and he's still a teen. no matter how i look at it, it's grooming and it's just a weird behavior. I dropped this after finishing chap 1, because i couldn't enjoy it. i would've if there's no grooming + it's a prof Xstudent, soo...
So the seme rapes the uke, but the seme is just sooooo cute and innocent and funny, seriously, how can he be viewed like that. No one can convince me that wasn’t rape, not only is the uke really drunk, which should have been enough of a reason, the seme didn’t listen to the uke, or even really give him a time to properly process things, he just rushed though with only his own wants on his mind. And the “I can’t stop” line, makes me eye roll ever time, the fuck you mean you CAN’T stop, no, you could, you just don’t want to, so you use the word CAN’T to absolve you of your wrongdoings, in this case SA. Like your action are out your control so it can’t possibly be your fault.
I think the seme is almost as bad at communicating and over thinking as the uke, mainly when it comes to the bigger conflicts of the story, and the a few of the uke’s spiralling episodes could have been resolved if the seme communicated better. Now don’t get me wrong the uke is still bad a communication and a lot of the comments point that out, but, I don’t think the seme is like a blameless saint for putting up with him or anything
Examples (not in order):
- the seme kept it a secret that he was going to the gym, because he was was overthinking that the uke wasn’t satisfied with him, because he found a tonic he thought was meant for him from the uke, and instead of talking to him about it, he secretly started going to the gym, which the uke spiralled about as well, they were thinking the same thing, that their partners weren’t happy or satisfied with them, so they were the same yet it seems to be painted as only the uke being crazy overthinking.
-when the seme left after the last fight, he didn’t communicate that it would only be for a day, and that he was going to get some of his stuff from his parents house, and not leaving for good. I understand in the heat of the not saying that, but, you’re telling me after he cooled down he couldn’t have shot off a text to the uke saying he wasn’t leaving him and he’ll be back soon? And when he comes back he acts like the uke is crazy to think he was leaving him, or at the very least it was going to be a long time he was staying at his parents. Like in no universe that could be what would happen, I think communication from the seme after he cooled down would have been the right thing to do.
- the seme knew that the smile at the gym thing was bothering the uke and that the uke is the type of person to bottle it all up and stew over it, yet he didn’t bring it up himself, a short conversation would have been all it took to put his mind at ease. And yes I know it’s not the seme’s responsibility to read his partners mind and the uke is an adult who should communicate his emotions properly, but the seme knows that his partner has this type of personality and what just lets him stew until his breaking point? If he left it alone for a reason, like maybe he wanted the uke to tell him himself and talk about it from that angle afterwards, I would at least understand, but he didn’t say anything like that (unless I missed it) when it all came to a head.
- when the uke tried to ride him the first time, all he said was ‘enough’, no further explanation, no telling the uke it wasn’t him and that he didn’t do anything wrong, just ‘enough’ and moving on, I think anyone would be hurt by that not just an insecure, overthinker. If the seme had just told the uke then and there, that he was just too sexy and very tight from that position, that he would come to soon or something like that, the uke would not only have not been hurt and thought he did something wrong which led to a spiral, he probably would have gotten a little confidence boost out of it.
I think there are a couple of other small instances, but can’t remember the details.
If you read till the end here’s a, good job, cookie
omg exactly im glad u put it out there!!
Their first time having sex together will definitely put me off rereading this story, but since there hasn’t been anymore SA (that I can remember) I’ll finish it, but, that made me uncomfortable. And yes I think their first time was SA, uke was quite drunk, he seemed confused and all foggy, and also said he wanted the seme to slow down and even that he wanted to stop, but, the seme didn’t care and just had sex with him anyway, just because it wasn’t violent doesn’t mean it wasn’t SA. Just putting my opinion out there since I haven’t seen anyone mention it (that I know of) so if your not into their first time being, while one of them is intoxicated and wanted to stop and the other not caring and having sex anyway, this comment is for you
Huh what are u talking about? SA. In this?
you should go outside maybe
The first time you mentioned it was Just a wet dream of the same. The real first time it's was perfectly consensual
I thought maybe you might be right cuz I remember he was drunk but i just reread that chapter and the consent could not be more explicit. Yeorum literally asks hyeonseon if it's ok to go all the way and he says yes. That's as explicit as it gets. He also checks in on him multiple times and Hyeonson also converses properly (not blackout drunk) so it's very obviously consensual. Not all sex where one person is intoxicated is SA, you need to be completely incapacitated and unable to give proper consent to be considered SA
Do you know how to read..?
I'm sorry but sa? Where? Having sex while drunk isn't automatically sa... And he wasn't even that drunk - honestly it looked more like he was trying to rationalize having sex with a guy by blaming it on alcohol lol
It was impulsive, sure, they didn't sit down for a "let's have sex" talk, they just did, but it doesn't mean it wasn't consensual...
Right before the top put it in, didn’t the bottom say to wait, or that he wanted to stop, he verbalized that he didn’t want to and the top put it in anyway, didn’t he? And before that the bottom wanted to slow down, which was also ignored. I’m not saying you HAVE to sit down to have a sex talk, and sure it’s not always SA when one party is drunk and the other isn’t, but this time felt uncomfortable to me personally, and the scene from kissing in the rain to the hard cut of them on the couch and he seemed confused and not really all there seemed weird but maybe I’m misinterpreting that, but I stand by that it was at least dubious consent and even if all the ukes concerns stem from confusion from sleeping with a man, the fact is he made it verbally known he wanted to slow down or not go further than the point before penetration and that was all ignored, it’s fine it you don’t see it that way, but I did.
It was a funny story, but then the author had to ruin it with rape, not only was he really drunk, but also not stopping and not caring about the mc protests, disappointing because like I said it was a fun story
My first thought wasn’t even being locked up with no food, it’s that Grayson knows Dane is an omega, even if Dane hasn’t confirmed it, Grayson knows, and he locks them up in there knowing that Dane is an omega and therefore will eventually go into heat, and him into rut as well, are there heat and rut suppressants in the secret stock of food, if not and if he knew there weren’t any or wouldn’t be any, how could he lock them both up together without any suppressants? And if he thought there was and it turns out he was wrong, does he immediately let them out? , if not that’s bad.
Dane does go into heat and I know it’s Dane who SA’s Grayson and I’m not defending him on that, just like I wouldn’t defend any alphas who go into rut and SA someone (yes going into heat or rut isn’t something they can control, and losing their minds to pheromones so much that they don’t even realize what they’re doing isn’t their fault, but that doesn’t absolve them for doing harm to others, some one can be both a victim and perpetrator at the same time),
what I will say though is that from what I’ve read in omegaverse stories (haven’t read heaps of them , because there’s just to must SA in allot of them) where someone goes into to heat or rut unexpectedly it’s either a medical thing where it couldn’t be helped or it’s negligence on their part (ie being careless about taking medication or simply thinking it’s something to take lightly and make reckless decisions because of that)
so if Grayson really did knowingly lock them up without any suppressants, he’s not blameless in this situation (from the info I have). He didn’t know dane’s heat cycle calendar, so it’s so reckless on his part, and if he unexpectedly went into rut instead of Dane would he have SA’d Dane? Considering he said he would rape his own omega brother if he was desperate enough (in, kiss me if you can) I think he would. Was any of this going though his mind as he locked them up in there, I guess later chapters might tell me.
Again if I’m missing any info feel, free to correct me in replies
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Grayson locks Dane up to push Dane to sleep with him 1 time and check the butterfly mark, not to lock him until heat. He is taught since young that SA is a crime, that's why he always frequently go to pheromone party to release it out or love bomb people to sleep with him, both of which is considered consensual in his mind. Grayson is so strictly monitored on his pheromone level by not only himself but also his parent that the chance of him going to rut unexpectedly is low. So many people brings up the omega brother details while missing the context and why he say it - releasing pheromone regularly is a must for dominant alpha to not become a mindless rapist who jump on anyone. No one is strong enough to remember their morals in the pheromone outbust, that's why he will never let himself goes to that point. It is exactly why he is so keen on pushing Chase to go to the parties since Chase has not released pheromone by himself at all and relying only on drugs.
he even prove his point to chase when chase doesn't know he impregnate joshua and marked him.
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there is a scene in the novel where grayson was in rut and the injection was in injected to him unsuccessfully. they are not in good terms that time and dane was still in the other room. dane saw grayson lying unconciously on the floor. it was him who help grayson. grayson never forced dane to do anything. grayson just desperately apologizing to him. his story had showed many times that despite of what he ANSWERED to chase's QUESTION, he will never do it to his brother or anyone else. Like what i've replied earlier, Grayson proved to Chase that if he is desperate and not regulating his pheromones, he could possibly forced himself to someone without knowing who they are. The good thing with Chase's case was Joshua consented it and he liked it, but what if he did it with the other person and not joshua? Grayson just told Chase the literal possibility of the consequences of not regulating their pheromones.
Kiss me if you can adaptation really fucked up about that Bliss situation. Grayson is constantly instilling fear into Chase that these horrible incidents might happen if he didn't release his pheromones. It's not that he would do it to Bliss. (Grayson is very strict with consent and it would be impossible anyway since he regularly releases in pheromone parties.) Chase is the one dangerous for Bliss, so he says it that way to make Chase realize that if he lost control, he(chase) might rape Bliss. His choice of words are extreme, that may be because of his personality disorder or he's using his law degree to corner a person (like another reader said). Author also clarified this on X, that Grayson "sees Chase as a brother that needs taking care of", so he always pushes Chase to release so he wouldn't have brain damage due to accumulated pheromones. His methods are just not done the right way but he worries for Chase a lot.