Bruno's Questions (11)

Goodbye Don Glees! you can watch it on yt (=・ω・=)

Flowers for Algernon (the book is really good too)
The Lovely Bones
Green Mile
Moonlight
Girl, Interrupted
Brokeback Mountain
The Florida Project

Your name engraved herein
Nightflight(2014)

Ok thanks! I will enjoy reading ^_^

I was actually watching broke back mountain but i can't find it anymore so I will go search. But I will be watching all the other movies too, thank you for the recommendation ^_^

I've heard a lot about your name enfeaved herein, so I'm excited to watch it. And I'll also watch the other movie, thank you for the recommendation ^_^

So I just watched Your Name Engraved Herein and I was actually sobbing so hard, and I loved the aesthetic and vibes it gave off as well. Apparently it was based off the directors experience, but at the end of the movie the scene where Jia-Han and Birdy reunite was an extra added by the director because the director never got to meet his irl "Birdy" so he decided to add the ending because he always wanted to meet Birdy again

Yes, but the director has recently asked the fans whether we want to see Jia Han's expedition with various lovers when he wasn't with Birdy on his IG, but I don't know if that will come to actual production.
And, I'm glad that you like it. It altered my brain chemistry. Also, Nightflight is such an underrated movie. I hope you'll like it.

I literally forgot to send the rest of it but I'm asking for really good danmei recs, like either modern or historical. Send me what you guys like. Pls recs, or not, it's ur life

Do you like apocalyptic stories like lil mushroom?

I have 2
https://www.novelupdates.com/series/the-human-cubs-guide-to-wasteland-survival/
https://www.novelupdates.com/series/how-to-feed-an-abyss/

'Global examination' -- tho the novel can be a bit confusing towards the beginning but it's an amazing work

'I ship my rival × me' -- very cute and amazing work

These both have manhua too

'Fake slackers'-- partially has a manhua, but it's a pretty funny story.

I very much do love apocalyptic stories! Thank you so much for the recommendations ^_^

I actually have global examination downloaded and I rlly like that one and I also rlly want to read "I ship my rival x me and Fake Slackers" so I will be reading! Thank u so much for the recommendation! ^_^

Yeah… it really ain’t all that TBH. The draw is the appearance of the top and the non typical bottom. Personally, before Passion got super popular it took me three tries to even get past the first chapter; it was so cliche.

It’s a tad bit overrated it’s overly glazed on tiktok but you may like it! I still haven’t continued it since my reading list got deleted so I’m like months behind but … it’s an okay read for me

It is both. Like many plot points are genuinely so good but you also have arcs and moments were it is so obvious to make the otaku reader hooked. I would actually give it a shot and if you want a lil spoiler, the uke will also rape the seme

Yeah it honestly did seem like a typical plot but since it's so popular I'm kinda getting FOMO and I wanna see what the hype is about

Then I will totally check it out. I don't have high hopes, but I was getting wayyy too much FOMO on tiktok loll

That was literally me too

Holy crap someone needs to lock up this author well I am interested in the story and with the side couples (though I saw spoilers for Raga and now I am very let down) so I will be adding this to my to read list. Let's just hope the sex scenes don't have any important information revealed because I will be skipping over every single one of them

Oh loll

*TW: long yapping*
1. if you wanna read it for the psychological aspect, I dont think it’s worth your interest. Plus, as you dont fond of Taeui and Illay ways of love (which involves abuse and assault), you’re not gonna enjoy the next sequel of Passion, Diaphonic Symphonia. You’ll meet Taeui and Illay again, and the second couple there is way worse. However, if you like the aesthetic, drama, I’ll think you can give it a try.
2. I personally prefer Passion: Raga (it has its own manhwa series now) cuz I like the dynamics of the complex pretty younger seme x devoted pure calm older uke, and the phraseology, tone in this sequel is so my style, their way of love too. Among all sequels, Raga is my fav, I’d recommend this one.

I second in Passion: Raga.

Yh lowk the sex scenes are the scenes where the emotional connection starts and develops but reallll the author is so overglazed and the novel is sooo long it’s insane. Though the novel is 20 years old now

Haha it's ok ur yap wasn't long and I enjoyed listening to this. I see that the plot itself isn't great and that people only read for the relationship. Though I am interested in the drama. Like I said before I felt like the person who has no clue what the inside joke is about because they weren't there for the experience. And I actually was reading Passion: Raga before actually reading Passion (looking back I knew absolutely nothing about what was going on in the story) and I honestly really liked Yuri and Xinlu. Until the newer chapter came out. Me personally, I think Xinlu should have his dick chopped off. Though I still like the aesthetic and drama it carries, like you mentioned. I actually was reading the prologue and first chapter but lwk I already lost my attention span, but I gotta do this for the street cred

Holy crap it's 20 years old??? So this was in like the 2000s??? That's actually kinda cool but at the same time the author is a little weird. And also I really can't see any emotional connection (romantically) if a character is sexually assaulted by another so I doubt I would be able to see the actual development. Also I have a question, did Taeui genuinely have any attraction for Illay or was it all Stockholm Syndrome (and did Taeui even have Stockholm Syndrome)? Because I've seen people argue about it on tiktok and I'm just confused cuz I ain't never read the damn thing

Yesss so weird to think about it that the novel is 20 years old but I genuinely do not think he had any stockholm syndrome. Taeui is an unreliable narrator. You can basically say as if a comedian explained a horror story.
Spoiler!!!

He basically caught feelings for Ilay when Ilays behavior changed and he found it as if Ilay was suddenly catching feelings for him. That made it easier for Taeui to connect with him.

Also side note: he could not escape but Taeui is already used to staying at a place and it being hard for him to escape. So that is why I do not associate it with the typical stockholm syndrome but more with emotional attachment. You will understand it better if you give the story a try

Ohh ok. Yeah I heard about Taeui being an unreliable narrator with Xinlu because that man is not a twink I guess I will enjoy it more because there is no Stockholm Syndrome, because I really don't like that in my stories tbh . I read the first chapter and I can't exactly find any enjoyment, but I love Jaeui and i want more of him. Who does he end up with, if he does end up w sm1?

here’s the order of Passion, have fun reading

He does end up with sm1!! I have not read passion since their last hiatus (I think 3 months now) so we were beginning the arc of his love interest, so that is why I will not spoil any furtherrr :)

Wait it doesn't show the order? Is the order like Passion, Diapuonic Symphony and Raga? I'm not sure

Yay! But is there any like SA involved or like, rape? I feel like there is, cuz the author clearly has a thing for it, so I'll be a little sad about that cuz me personally I don't have any thing for it. But I'll still be interested in who he ends up with

1. Passion (main story)
- Ilay x Taeui
2. Passion: Diaphonic Symphonia (sequel)
- Illay x Taeui
- Richard Tarten x Christoph Tarten
3. Passion: Suite (side of Passion & Dia Sym)
- Illay x Taeui
- Richard Tarten x Christoph Tarten
4. Passions: Raga (Spin-off)
- Ling Xinlu x Yuri Gable
*note: I haven’t finished all either, since Im a Xinlu x Yuri girlies, Im jumped right into Raga after the main story (doesnt affect the timeline much). However, the other threes, I’d suggest reading in the order above.*

I genuinely do not know if Taeui's brother will be raped or not. But I assume not because he is a very lucky guy. Taeui did get raped several times by Ilay

Oh ok thank you! And also quick question, why does Richard and Christoph have the same last name .... Are they like married...or is it what I think it is... (˘･_･˘)

Ok I hope Jaeui will actually have common sense

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https://www.mangago.me/read-manga/kagurabachi/ (PEAK FICTION)

My way with you (yaoi)
Black and white
https://www.mangago.me/read-manga/the_last_step_on_the_way/

Groupie sweetie (yaoi)
https://www.mangago.me/read-manga/groupie_sweetie_full_ver/
Band manwha

Experience forecast (yaoi)
Black and white
https://www.mangago.me/read-manga/experience_forecast/

https://www.mangago.me/read-manga/the_terrible_act/

https://www.mangago.me/read-manga/starry_night/

https://www.mangago.me/read-manga/the_knight_of_the_closed_eyes_sky/

https://www.mangago.me/read-manga/never_once_did_you_touch_me_like_this_magusmanga/

https://www.mangago.me/read-manga/pure_heart_of_a_monster/

https://www.mangago.me/read-manga/to_me_who_doesn_t_love_you_team_hazama/

Actually I've been meaning to read this for a while, but as of right now I'm not really into shounen. But doesn't mean I won't read it. Of course I'm still going to read this, I need to get out of my anti-shounen stage. Well I mean I like shounen, but like shounen BLs or shounen with romance. But I don't mind if this doesn't have any, and I have very high expectations because of your praise^_^. I will be checking this out and thank you so much for the suggestion. And I also like the art so it will be going on the top of my list

please read this its not talked about enough
https://www.mangago.me/read-manga/happy_of_the_end/

I looked at group sweetie and I am very interested now, I've been reading it all day

Omg thanks for all the recs, I rlly appreciate it

I have been wanting to read this for a long time and I actually read some of it in Bato, but u might alr know what happened to that.. so I will totally read it and pick it back up, thank u for the rec

bato,,, rest in peace,, and have fun!! ofc

Thanks, I totally will

Wow that sux, especially since BJ Alex was their first and best, Jinx was a big miss right off that bat. These artists follow what’s popular very closely and you see these patterns and bursts of particular tropes coming in waves. The most popular Manhwas around the time just before its release were Limited Run; Legs That Don’t Walk;
Even If You Don't Love Me: and Payback. Lots of tall dark and handsome seme’s with loads of money and anger issues, plus a poor uke with declining family members and huge debts.

With all the military and omega/guide stuff out now, I’m expecting that their new projects might follow suit too. Wait and see ig. However, would be nice to see more like The Third Ending; Pizza Guy and the Golden Palace; and Ways of Parting. Those had smart plots, warm MLs and loads of interesting aspects without the need of abuse as a plot device. Hopefully we get more creators backing these types of dynamics.

I think people like the "dark, mysterious, and rich" trope is because of the curiosity readers have for their character and also the "I can fix him" mentality the Uke would have. Mainly the second one. Humans have evolved with a drive for curiosity and solving unanswered questions, very evident throughout science and even religion. I think the same can also be said with personality traits. Readers want to know the why behind the mysterious character, so naturally he gains more traction. And with Jinx, JJK didn't even get any good development. I'm very glad Guide verse and historical and other worldly settings are becoming more popular, because authors build a whole new concept of society instead of building onto what already exists in the real world. I think new concepts stimulate the brain in places that gives us the power to actually focus. With new stories, they are more developed, they are unique, and they require thinking skills. And also with the fluffy slice of life ones, they are actual romance rather than an abuse story disguised as a romance, which makes the actual romance stories a million times better. Even if its set in the real world and the storyline is just an average plot, atleast the characters are actually developed and good and the way they interact with each is realistic and not infuriating. I really don't get why abuse should be a main plot point in stories if it's being romanticized or for shock value. I'm glad now when creators start making unique and out of the box stories, it gets popular. I'm looking forward to more stories in the future. Oh and I love Pizza Delivery Man And the Golden Palace ^_^. Thanks a lot for the comment, I loved ur opinion

I absolutely agree
Also, I happened to find smth new that’s similar to Pizza Delivery Man and the Golden Palace and it’s an OV https://www.mangago.me/read-manga/to_me_who_doesn_t_love_you_team_hazama/

I remember reading this, I kinda dropped it cuz it was boring and I didn't like how they drew the smut scenes, but now I rlly want to pick it up and read it again(づ￣ ³￣)づ

Ok sorry for the autobiography, I just like talking

You must be fun to be with. You sound like my bestie who yaps a lot. No dull and boring moments. Anyway I have no recommendations but I giggle when you said you like talking

Bro that's so nice

Not much really, maybe Webtoons or T@pas under non-serialised unpublished indie works.
https://www.mangago.me/read-manga/macaroni/

https://www.mangago.me/read-manga/timing_hena_mary_calmes/

https://www.mangago.me/read-manga/never_complex/

https://www.mangago.me/read-manga/stranger/

Even if it's not much, it still means a lot to me! I'll totally check these out

Thank you for the rec! I will be reading

Idk if this is a hot take or not (and it doesnt ONLY pertain to yaoi but I mostly read that so) but I feel like it's strange when people get surprised or upset when authors get mad when their work ends up on here lmaoooo. If I put my hard work and time into making art, I would wanna get paid for it too lol like im still gonna read on this site but I do try to actively put money into the stuff I enjoy. I'm not gonna demonize anyone who wants to get paid for their work cuz some people will talk so much shit when authors try to get their works off here, but I mean it makes sense if you look at it from their perspective. It takes like 3 minutes to read a chapter but a week for them just to make it AND theres usually multiple people involved. Like i get not being able to afford it but lets be honest, theres probably plenty of people who COULD afford it but still dont cuz they can just get it for free lol. Theres NOTHING wrong with authors feeling they should be paid for their work lol Continue to read here but support if ya can, type of thing

Another hot take is Uncensored should be the standard, why am I staring at a light stick. SHOW ME DA DICKS

I respect an author more when their yaoi story has some straight people/couples too vs if all their characters/couples were gay.

When I first started reading I thought lightsabers were real. Only when I started to read uncensored version I realised that men didn't walk around with lightsabers. Yeah I was a huge idiot

Idk if this is a hot take or what but when authors/illustrators are nearing the end of the series and they're like yk unwell, they should take a hiatus. I mean, I've read a few fire manhwa's that I can see why arent popular (or lost popularity) because the ending kind of sucked and pretty rushed! Another one is when the story is changed in manhwa and is COMPLETELY DIFFERENT from the novel. It's like respect to the novel tbh bcs why are you changing the story line?? Anyways, thats all lol (this hot take is like generalized atp)

I definitely agree. I wonder if the reason they dont take a hiatus is cuz of the company/publisher

RIGHT... I did not come here for that

And for my hot take You should go back and check killing stalking for old time memories.. if that Counts as a hot take

Ya know, it's crazy that I have read a lot of yaoi but I have never fully read Killing Stalking lol

Flowkey for me it's kinda uncomfortable seeing dih cuz most of them are badly drawn I'm sorry they look like monkey dihsbut I mean I guess whatever floats ur boat

Yess, and when they also have Yuri couples I get so happy. Sweeten the Deal perfectly fits that description

Yeah, they should take care of themselves and it also lowers the quality of the series of they keep pushing themselves. I don't get why people complain about authors taking breaks, they are people too!! It's fine if you cannot read a chapter for one week. And also I HATE it when the manhwa is different from the novel. IT'S SO BAD!! This is how I feel with books and movie adaptations too. Especially the one for Johnny Tremain...the movie was horrible... The Husky and His White Cat Shizun had a great manhua tho, it hit lots of key points in the novel. If you're ever interested, you should go read it

Omg yeah You know the company that took down Bato (Kakao Entertainment) actually forced an artist to work to the point of miscarriage. That's really fucked up

Oh my gosh this comment made me look through my old sketchbook and I found my old Killing Stalking fanart I used to think they were cute

Yeah cant even hold ya, some of them can get ugly lol. Some have made me just squint and go "oh my god what IS that" but idk why I still enjoy seeing it drawn out lmao

Babahahaahah

Literally if you're going to draw a dick at least make it anatomically correct, and COLOR IT PROPERLY! they're either bright red or they're so pale, there is literally no in-between.

I can handle a poorly drawn dick but what I can’t handle is a poorly drawn butthole. I was just reading one and dude it looked like a stab wound I was so icked out lmao.

yo where was that from

https://www.mangago.me/read-manga/to_me_who_doesn_t_love_you_team_hazama/uu/br_chapter-265167/pg-19/
Looks like he got shot in the ass, it's the ugliest butthole I've seen so far

HOLY FUCK LMAOOOOO

HOLY FUCK LMAOOO

girl ion wanna write a long paragraph ( even tho i have so much to say about this topic… ) but i just wanna say i agree with you TOTALLY. you ate, never let them silence u

Thank you bro

Bro the amount of boredom I’ve been going through because some of these mass updates bl’s always turn to have rape or some weird sss shit going on in them. It’s EXHAUSTING!

God forbid, you’re checking out some new material to read… you’re reading the synopsis or maybe the comments and BOOM “rape” “incest” shota/loli”.. it’s like wtf is going on right now in the yaoi community?? AND PPL SEEK THIS SHI OUT?? I saw a thread where they were like “if you have any incest recommendations, lmkkkk!!” Like what the fuck??? What are you supposed to think when you see shi like that?? Oh yeah, you’re not a weirdo who wants to fk your younger brother?? OK. WHAT??

Oh and don’t get me STARTED if you call it out, then you’re sensitive sally, and there fav line “it’s fiction— so if you don’t like it DON’T READ.” NO! I’m going to SHAMEEEE you mfs bc y’all dgaf anymore!!

Needless to say. I agree w/ you LMAO

I'm not defending yaoi, it's a piece of crap genre through and through, but I can confidently say it's NOT the only problematic romance genre. Straight and GL stories have a loooot of problematic themes (just look at the so called "dark romance"/BookTok genre for gross straight stories and GLs have always been infamous for the depiction of incest and predatory relationships between teachers and students). I just think not a lot of people talk about those because they're just not as popular as BLs.

But I still think BLs are the worst, like 9/10 stories contain rape whilst the straight and GL genres are more like 5-6/10 stories.

yeah i get it. a lot of really well written stories ive read either go completely unnoticed or end up with some random forced sex scene solely for the purpose of satisfying fujos desires. i was also just having a convo w a friend about how so many BL fans are super misogynistic and refuse to read any GL bc its "not as appealing" or bc "there just arent any good GL) and honestly probably just hate women lol.

i do however think its completely normal to explore taboos such as incest or age gap and i personally think theres a way to do it right and wrong but i also just dont really care too much about those topics if its depicted in art. art should be the safe place where we explore those taboos but a lot of BL readers are really young and dont have their brains fully developed yet so they take it and run with it in any way they can. lots of Bl readers also lack media literacy and reading comprehension so well written stories go over their heads while the poorly written slop gets eaten up.

there are some stories i refuse to read because of these issues (like painter of the night or jinx) while some i finish all the way through regardless of the bad content because of the messaging and self awareness (like killing stalking) <--- by no means am i saying this one in particular is good. in fact its completely fucked up and i wouldnt rec anyone to read it but i did appreciate how everything was carried out.

it would be nice if BL fans could have civil discussions about this stuff bc i think its important but again, a lot of them are really young and still lack emotional maturity.

YESS OH MY GOODNESS YOU'RE SO AMAZING!! literally I saw someone ask for teacher x student recommendations and I was just like ???? Because what do you even reply to that!? Honestly why do all the stories that look really good and have amazing art always have some BS in them. There's this one yaoi, reverse thinking, and the art style looks so good, and the characters also look really good together. Like I could have LOVEDDD this relationship. But NOOO. It's disgusting. I view it more in a psychological way but the story is supposed to be a fucked up romance

And it be some victims themselves coming to defend those stories because apparently their therapists told them to do so to "cope". Somewhere in that statement is a liar or someone needs to get their licenses revoked.

I don’t blame the “youth” of BL fans because it’s completely valid to be weirded that these taboo topics and becoming normalized in content. We are in an era where pedophilia and rape are just the fucking back of a book, too fucking natural for my liking. It’s ok to like dark themes in your story, hell I love a good dark themes.. but when it’s just constantly criminal activities being passed off as a “plot” it’s pretty annoying and I want them to end it all.

UGH YES. Like I’ll be so pissed when I see a a good looking cover art, I click on it.. see there’s immediate SA first chapter. That’ll piss a mf OFF immediately. LIKE NO WARNING?? Js seeing the MC getting brutally assaulted just for what?? Fucking plot? Sigh I’m confused.

Oh yes you are very very right. Yaoi is like a hit or miss, it's either the best thing ever, or the worst. There are many really good yaois I have read (I reccomend One Room TA, though there is one part that I was a little iffy on). But there are so many BS stories in other genres. Booktok is my enemy. Because the toxic relationships are being normalized worldwide and way too quickly with booktok since it has more traction. Genuinely, shit like haunting Adeline or those fuckass rina kent books are my worst enemy. And my friends eat that shit up like it's dangerous that it's way more normalized because problematic media is spreading way too quickly in the booktok space. Honestly, most GL I've read were some of the most healthiest things ever, but Rangari....Bad Thinking Diary...Lilly of the Valley....I refuse to read. I myself am a lesbian so this feels really insulting that people are assuming our relationships are just like those really bad yuris. If you don't want to read BS like that, I reccomend reading Danmei (Yaoi) and Baihe (Yuri) novels. If you aren't into same sex couples tho then I reccomend reading webtoon stories (NOT CRY OR BETTER NOT YET BEG THOUGH, I CAN GO ON A WHOLE RANT ABOUT HOW BAD IT IS) anyways, thanks so much for sharing ur opinion to me, I loved it

I don’t understand that mentality.. “yeah I was traumatized in this specific way as a child, or teen, so let me just look up media that replicates that exact feeling I had when I was being SA’d!” Like … are you fucking ok? (Obv not). That’s not a coping mechanism, that’s you seeking out what happened to you on others (fictional or not).

AHH YOU ARE SO RIGHT!! I LOVE stories where they portray these types of topics and taboos with respect and not treating it like something to goon to. I thought Killing Stalking actually was romanticized so I never really read it fully (because everyone said the couple was so cute but like I read the first 2 chapters and no they are not). There is one I read called Reverse Thinking but I have a feeling that the author views it in a romantic way, while I view it as more psychological. Honestly, it's not that good because of the amount of rape scenes added. There is too much and I don't like seeing that. There are stories that are cute and address topics like these. I reccomend you read "Boy Meets Maria" because it's honestly such a well written masterpiece. And also in your first topic, I completely agree that BL fans are misogynistic and maybe even homophobic, because most BL have a character who looks like a woman and a character who looks like a man. At this point, just write a straight story. I saw this great analysis about yaoi on this YouTube video (I forgot the title, SORRY!!) and it really hit a lot of important points. Just search up "yaoi controversy" and all the vids that show up are really good. I do agree that I really wish Yaoi fans can be respectful about things like these because these are serious topics. People like you are supposed to be the face of our fandom, but I guess our space is filled with disgusting gooners

I don't understand why some victims do this, and I really get upset when they promote it. I understand they aren't ok and I guess if it helps them they should do it on their own without involving anyone. When they promote things like this either on platforms like here or on social media, it's seriously harmful because then you're just promoting more disrespectful media and normalizing it. You are honestly so right about this! Thank you so much for sharing ur opinion, I totally agree

Yes oh my goodness, I really don't think that's a good idea. Because reminding them is honestly more harmful than anything. You're so right about this

It is annoying, because when we turn something real and harmful into a relationship tag, we are invalidating real victims and survivors of said things. Like that is showing blatant disregard and ignorance for people who had to go through the disgusting side of humanity. It's a topic that needs to be warned about, not used as just a tag.

not saying all the young BL fans are like this but a lot of them are and even grown ass adults too (its mostly the adults that are making these works). ive been having a harder time finding decent reads bc like yall mentioned, a lot of it lately is rape slop. while i can understand how a lot of these taboos make people uncomfortable, i dont think people who are interested in them are as horrible irl as we think. take incest for example: someone that likes that dynamic in fiction doesnt necessarily mean they wanna fk their sibling. sure its weird and gross but its not doing any actual harm so i usually just leave them alone. i also think theres a lot of different viewpoints on the incest topic too. for example, adopted siblings or siblings by marriage can be seen as wrong and disgusting by most (like cherry blossoms after winter or even kaeya and diluc from genshin). or even age gaps are considered problematic and while i agree it can be, especially when its a teen/adult, i also think if done properly it has its appeal (like a first of summers)

the only exception ill ever make for rape being in stories is ifs done with a mature mindset and has great importance and not just for the sake of shock value. that shit pisses me off.

i could also get into the discussion on lolitas but that's a topic most people misunderstand and twist the original meaning of. most ppl think of sexualized children when its not supposed to be like that but has become as such over the years on the internet unfortunately.

anyway yeah,,, i dont normally get into these types of conversations with ppl online since it always spirals into something toxic but i rly do want people to just be able to enjoy the things they like without making a whole ordeal about it. i rly do wish BL fans were a little more normal lol (although its really just the raging fujoshis that make it weird for the rest of us)

Bruh exactly like I don't wanna see that genuinely it's not sexy or attractive, it makes me wish my parents wore a condom while making me

ah yes i loved that manga! i also recommend shimanami tasogare, smells like green spirit, and fukakai no boku no subete o if you like that one ^^

gonna echo that the fascination with taboo and abusive relationships isn't limited to bl, but I similarly take issue with the kind of stories that get popular and are leading the trend of these things in romance genres, bl and otherwise. I don't have a problem with stories including abuse, rape, incest, and to a more limited extent, pedophilia if they're depicted with care, depth, and awareness of their real horrors, but the grand majority of these stories don't do that in favor of mining them for erotic shock factor and titillation.

I wouldn't have as much bitterness and ire towards the "dark" fiction stuff if there were more smutty, erotic stories that didn't rely on rape/SA for tension and plot/relationship development and it wasn't seen as an expected inclusion in non-fluffy stories with complex or troubled relationships. I want porn that isn't based on half-baked, screwed-up abusive dynamics to deliver on eroticism!

While I do agree some people who like something taboo isn't necessarily going to carry that out IRL, it's bad that those people try to justify and normalize themselves. And when there are many people who do that, it gets normalized to a harmful extent. Take for example, the treatment of children in Japan. Lolisho culture has spread from there to around the whole world, and people have just been making it into some meme like "haha incel has nezuko body pillow" It's gotten really bad in Japan that Crunchyroll has announced "Shotaoni" (a story about a 10 year old boy having a crush on his 17 year old friend) is getting an anime adaptation. Crunchyroll is the biggest anime site ever, and Shotaoni has now gained incredible popularity before and after the anime adaptation. While i try to spread word that child exploitation is bad, I cannot make a whole group filled with maybe millions of people change their mind. Ok sorry that conversation just went in like 3 directions. And with the Kaeluc and CBAF discussion, those types of dynamics still hold some sort of skewed power dynamic. If they refer to each other as brothers, then I think that's a little...weird. They can be cute and healthy and have a good dynamic, but they are still brothers. While I won't beat up someone for enjoying this media, I hold the opinion that it is bad. And age gaps can actually be good, if a teen or barely legal adult is not involved. I LOVE a first of summers SO MUCH!! They did the age gap really well, and it's so well written. Also rape in stories for shock value really reflect how much of a chud the author is. Take for example, Jigoku no Rokunin. Rape and sexual assault is really just added shock value to make the protagonists life more traumatic (which apparently builds character???) and also makes his methods of revenge more brutal (actually it just makes it more unnecessary) The author treats rape like some character building plot point (while that actually can be a character building point, the author writes it in a horrible way) and also draws out horribly detailed scenes in the manga. Now let's see Boy Meets Maria. The ML was raped as a child but he is saved by the MCs father. That is a part of his trauma and his mental state is reflected by that trauma. It's an accurate description of how traumatic the experience is and it's treated more like a warning than a shock value factor. Also the scene wasn't drawn in full detail and trigger warnings were added before the chapter (atleast where I read it there were trigger warnings). Also I'm so glad you mentioned Lolitas because I can also go on a whole rant about them too, but I need to save my thumbs from more typing. Ok sorry if this went everywhere, when I rant the direction changes multiple times. Thanks for sharing your opinion tho!! We need more educated people like you in the yaoi community

Yes! You're so right! I think the story would be dark and erotic if the setting was dangerous rather than the character relationships, because the setting is what affects the characters and it's also what determines how they make choices. Like if characters were in wartime, and both parties were fighting against each other, their relationship would have more appeal and eroticism.

Thank you for the recs! I will be reading

omg haha no worries for the long reply! i also tend to go on tangents when im passionate about a topic i enjoy having discussions with people over. i agree with everything you said too (and it was articulated perfectly imo) thanks for taking the time to type it all out ^^ i really wish there were more people with a little more mature mindset in the bl community too

i also wish yuri was just as popular as bl

Thank you so much, you sounded so much smarter than me so I was nervous if I sounded stupid. Thank you for bringing up this topic in the first place as well, I enjoyed talking about it very much. I do wish there were more people like you in the yaoi community (idk if I said this alr but I'll say it again). Cuz if yaoi fans braincells were money they would have a deficit 3x the amount of the federal government because their reading comprehension levels are BADDDD. And also author are just as worse too, because genuinely how incompetent do you have to be to write pure slop. Yeah I don't think psychopaths would even read that. I would spew out more insults but it's like 12:30 am. Also I do agree Yuri should be as popular as yaoi cuz even if I read yaoi for a living, Yuri just hits differently. I guess cuz it's more relatable since I'm lesbian too. It makes me feel single tho

LOL dwdw im plenty stupid. i can hardly articulate myself irl so if i sound smart online its bc i have lots of time to think.

and yeah yuri tends to do that to us :')

I sound like an idiot most of the time irl. Wait btw is there any way to like, follow people's profile on Mangago? Cuz if there is I rlly want to follow u on here Ur like super cool

hehe im flattered!
you just scroll to the bottom of the profile where you can see the pfp and bio it should have a follow/send mail option under it ^^

Ok thank u very much and I am totally following you

Older ukes x younger semes in:
Japanese yaoi:
Itooshiki Hibi
Mujaki na Wanko to Nekokaburi
Furimuite tsukamaete
Chase me, Watchdog

Korean yaoi:
BL Motel
Golden Pair | Craeyon
Golden Light for You
Casey's Secret
Runway Hit
A Lovely Meal

Korean shounen ai:
Thirty Years Old

Chinese shounen ai
Accident In Broad Daylight


Buff bottoms:
kiss me if you can (obsessive ml)
dog and bird
under the green light
flashlight
red candy
big apple
so who got screwed?
shutline
unbreakable master
you are my world (again obessessed ml)
the taming
Reincarnated into Demon King Evelogia's World

Also since you like die in my arms, i just wanna make sure you know the author has another story thats under a different name and has similar story/style:
The Mansion Summoned by Ghosts

Thank you so much!! I actually read the authors other work and that one was so good too, I wish it was longer tho. I literally LOVE Jinan so much. I will definitely check all these out, thanks again for replying, if so helpful!! (づ￣ ³￣)づ

Youre welcome, i hope you enjoy them ヾ(❀╹◡╹)ﾉ~

Oh my god I wrote out a whole thing for this the other day I wish I could find it to you to you

I FOUND IT Im js gonna throw any of the first question in here

https://www.mangago.me/read-manga/problematic_leadership_activities/ This one the top is js clueless and the uke is head over heals

https://www.mangago.me/read-manga/sparkling_baby/ I thought this was so bland but a lot of ppl like it and the uke is yearning like crazy

https://www.mangago.me/read-manga/sweet_shots/ Not sure if yearning is the right way to describe this but thr uke has liked the seme for 11ish years and counting, I really like this one but very toxic for each other

https://www.mangago.me/read-manga/the_symbiotic_relationship_between_a_newbie_and_an_oldbie/ Unclear who thw uke is but both of them are whipped by the newest chapters the nonchalant one is yearning so bad

https://www.mangago.me/read-manga/i_declare_vengeance/ Another not sure if it fits the list but the uke initiates a lot but idk if yearning is quite what he’s doing

https://www.mangago.me/read-manga/success_oriented_guide/ Yearned so hard he went back in time to lock in and treat his man right on the second time around

https://www.mangago.me/read-manga/navi_s_comedy_of_romantic_errors_mature/ This one is stupidly hilarious it’s like a watt pad story but uke is yearning

https://www.mangago.me/read-manga/office_hero/ Died for his man, reincarnated, still whipped, still down bad

https://www.mangago.me/read-manga/salt_heart/ Hate the seme but uke is clueless and yearning

https://www.mangago.me/read-manga/love_is_loading_mature/ Yearned so hard he stole his sisters bf, super super wholesome though

Ok those are ongoing let me throw some completed in

https://www.mangago.me/read-manga/duplication_love/ This was super short but so sad and the uke is definitely a yearner

https://www.mangago.me/read-manga/again_1/ Love this one, Showbiz, and uke has to WORK to get the seme to like him but they’re super green

https://www.mangago.me/read-manga/popping_candy/ The uke went through hell and back w his yearning for his princess of a seme, uni one, truthfully had repetitive and annoying to me

https://www.mangago.me/read-manga/cherry_doll_scandal/ Another Showbiz, uke liked seme for years and then became fwb, eventually got together green flags

https://www.mangago.me/read-manga/in_the_private_room/ Tbh I forgot the plot but it’s Showbiz and I remember the uke yearning

https://www.mangago.me/read-manga/don_t_get_caught_xxx/ Yearned so hard turnedhis seme into the ml for a smut comic

https://www.mangago.me/read-manga/red_mansion/ You can’t talk abt yearning ukes without him being mentioned, hes the definition, two black flags though

https://www.mangago.me/read-manga/dirty_high/ Complete opposite from the last ome this uke is a D1 yearner but it’s so sweet it’ll rot your teeth out

https://www.mangago.me/read-manga/limited_run/ Another Showbiz, seme learned his feelings too late while uke was yearning

https://www.mangago.me/read-manga/bittersweet_sweet_darling/ Another show biz, yearning uke

https://www.mangago.me/read-manga/la_meche/ Super short, mentally ill yearnig uke

https://www.mangago.me/read-manga/reunion/ To end this, the yearners of the century

Ok sorry that was so many I hope you fw atleast a few if these i handpicked from mu lists

thank you for this list king/queen/my new overlord if you like a good yearning you should checkout the novel mind the gap. biggest dual yearning I’ve read this year

HAHA thank you im always down for yearning, this list I wrote up was for someone specifically looking for yearning ukes so that was the reason for the word choice

Oh my gosh THANK YOU SO MUCH YOU'RE AMAZING AND IM SO EXCITED TO READ ALL OF THESE!! THANK YOU FOR REPLYING (づ￣ ³￣)づ

Yess Yearning Ukes are amazing

I totally will

Okay sovereign, I gotcha
FYI: I’m PRETTY sure none of these manhwa fit your description perfectly. In cases like these, I’d take more time describing the stories but I can’t do that rn.

https://www.mangago.me/read-manga/unromantic/ Seme: Submissive (fyi this means he’s SORT of submissive), Uke-like. Uke: Dominant , taller, independent

https://www.mangago.me/read-manga/don_t_mess_with_the_puppy/ (Low-key this story doesn’t fit your description at ALL but it’s so peak) Seme: Submissive, Uke-like. Uke: Dominant , taller, independent

https://www.mangago.me/read-manga/red_string_quests/ Seme: Submissive Uke-like. Uke: Dominant , taller, independent

https://www.mangago.me/read-manga/the_symbiotic_relationship_between_a_newbie_and_an_oldbie/ Seme: Submissive Uke-like. Uke: Dominant , taller (idk), independent

https://www.mangago.me/read-manga/the_third_decade_dindin/ Seme: Submissive Uke-like. Uke: Dominant , taller, independent

https://www.mangago.me/read-manga/golden_light_for_you/
Seme: Submissive Uke-like. Uke: Dominant , taller, independent

https://www.mangago.me/read-manga/trick_or_love/ Seme: Submissive Uke-like. Uke: Dominant , taller, independent

https://www.mangago.me/read-manga/the_mountain_branches_dream_of_goblins/ Seme: Submissive Uke-like. Uke: Dominant , taller, independent

OMG THANKS!! Also don't mess with the puppy is lwk peak but I am kinda picky with what the MCs look like but I am still reading it. RED STRING QUEST IS SO GOOD I FREAKING LOVE IT. I ALSO LOVE THE THIRD DECADE AND GOLDEN LIGHT FOR YOU!! Thank you again, cuz tbh most of these fit what I was looking for so there is no problem if it isn't perfect! Have a nice day!!