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xendo 07 01,2021
what is this? the prohibition?   reply
07 01,2021
kloudee
07 01,2021
ok im asking just out of curiosity...

i don't really know what to hitnk about alcohol because i know that there are a lot of disadvantages (that i've seen firsthand), such as domestic abuse, health complications and other sutff

but i also know that drinking alcohol is... fun... i guess. I think that it's good for celebrations and partys

so i just wanted to see what other people with different perspectives thought

anyways i think im done... ٩(๑❛ᴗ❛๑)۶
07 01,2021
ive been seeing a lot of discussion about this which is great but from what i can tell it's once again mostly women being projected into the conversation by other women.

the point is that if youre not mlm/nblm your opinion is not final say and your voice should not be the loudest. fictional media has influenced public perception on issues and topics for YEARS and that is irrefutable. fetishization of gay men has been happening before it was even more societally accepted to be a gay man.

the portrayal of gay men is so fucking skewed in works of yaoi and bl. for generations gay men have been viewed as predatory, rapists, unnatural, feminine and dangerous. ALL of which are stereotypes reflected in these works. this puts us in danger and invalidates us.

the 'feminine bottom' trope which pushes the stereotype that there has to be a 'woman' in an mlm relationship.
the 'student+teacher' trope which pushes the stereotype about us being predators.
the 'extremely young man+way older man' trope which also pushes us being predators, not to mention larger age gaps tend to have unhealthy power dynamics.
the 'rapists and their victims fall in love' trope which i cant even begin describe how insanely unhealthy that is and how insanely popular it is.
these are just to name a few which affect REAL people. REAL gay men.

ive seen countless occasions and conversations where women and girls whos views on gay relationships have been so warped that they think its ok to be invasive, to ship real men, to ask questions about private matters without any indication that its ok to do so. not to mention seeing all of this fucked up gay 'representation' can warp the minds of young gay boys the same way it does to young girls. this will often make them hate themselves more, it will normalise toxic relationships for them which can put them in dangerous situations.

bl 'made for women by other women' is in general unhealthy because a woman (even if she is lgbt+) CANNOT give representation to gay men and cannot do their stories justice because shes never experienced it. the only times it would be acceptable is if she talked to actual gay men for their experiences.

we're not asking you to stop writing or reading bl because thats unrealistic but we are asking you to listen to us. listen when we tell you that a trope is bad and should be stopped, stop interacting and giving positive feedback which pushes dangerous stereotypes about us. stop as a woman only interacting with gay media. educate yourself on what its like being a gay man so you can at least recognise toxicity and bad representation. stop ignoring us and misconstruing what we're talking about and what we're asking from you.
07 01,2021
I should be cleaning my dog's shit atm but here I am giving my two cents. I have my own list of dos and don'ts when it comes to mlm and wlw but the bottom-line is, if you're not mlm and still feel the to justify certain types of behaviors especially when you don't do the same to relationships of other genders, that's where you cross the line. You......   reply
07 01,2021
Eh. Obviously non-mlm do not get to decide what's fetishization and what isn't, but they're certainly allowed an opinion. This also applies to men talking about women's issues, you can always have an opinion on it and also voice and be correct about it, BUT you must always listen to the actual people that are affected. I'm not a guy and I try to av......   reply
07 01,2021
This reminds me of that old question anti fujoshi stfu challenge. It was so ignorant. Glad someone talked about it. I would also like to add something in this conversation. In case someone thinks it’s ok to fetishize them because any mlm is ok with it   reply
07 01,2021
tbh yeah like, you're allowed to read yaoi and enjoy it, idc what you personally do with your life. it's just Really frustrating that all discussions of mlm sexuality around here are led by people who aren't mlm and often by people who won't even consider mlm voices if it doesn't agree with what they already believe i read shoujo and yuri manga som......   reply
07 01,2021
>Can straight people stop acting like they're oppressed ? Stop using straggot and heterophobia like it’s a real word. You guys are never opressed. People who hate straight people either are edgy teenagers or had to face some real homophobic shit by straight people. >If you don’t want people to judge your fetishes and kinks that are extreme......   2 reply
07 01,2021
Well this is still smarter than most of the sjw on this site. I think what you're trying to say is that you personally don't choose what to get turned on by, and as long as you keep in your room it's fine. Is it okay to get turned on by the sight of a dismembered body? No. Can we stop those people? No. We can do the same discourse for every other f......   1 reply
07 01,2021
I agree with this 100% Not too long ago today, I thought about what it will feel like to have a snake as a replacement of a dildo and honestly my thoughts and imagination of that wasn't so bad, and if there was a manga about it hell yeah ill read it but that doesn't mean I personally want to do it. That's scary as hell, I mean I might possibly die......   reply
07 01,2021

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