Willow's Questions (64)

it's a glitch. u cant see ur own pfp clearly. to others it appears fine.

Ohhh thanks
I thought I was going crazy because everyone else's pics were fine

hets are insufferable what’d u expect

Ohh, I know I once commented something like this too, and people literally started bullying me. They were saying things like, “You enjoy reading rape.” People really think gay/BL stories are just about rape and all that stuff. But yk, some of the most beautiful and meaningful stories I’ve read have been gay ones.

I have a feeling if straight readers left comments like that on a yaoi, a bunch of y'all weirdos would respond the same lol

i mean to be fair half of the stories you read are problematic and full of rape so…

Nah we're all accepting af
I've seen tons of similar comments under gay stuff and no one even cared

Half of all the stories are problematic ones, not just yaoi. Why is it only the gay ones being called out?

Srsly, I can't communicate with them anymore even in real life. They're just waiting to snap at you.

Someone needs to smack them off of their high horse

yaoi is way more problematic, in general, than other queer / straight romance. every genre is called out when needed, but most people will rather close an eye on problematic stuff when it comes to queer content than on straight ones. they’re the first ones to always criticize straight romance / content ( or even GLs… )

GLs and straight romance gets called out and criticized way more than BLs, especially by fujoshis as they hate the genre and FMC as well. ( fujos fetishize gay content hence why )

Exactly.

Nah man I have seen other way around (⊙…⊙ )

yeah you *have* seen, but i’m saying in general, this is an overall fact

i only ever see yaoi get called out here. weekly questions and replies like urs turning something about a criticism of behaviour on non-yaoi content into criticism on yaoi just to shit on it. also yaoi is not more problematic just loudly popular on here at least. also, also, the way u always assume ppl who read yaoi are fetishists is a weird generalisation. does it mean less as queer media bc of? what? tell me. can i assume everyone who consumes het media are homophobes? the thing about gl’s is the only valid thing u said but stop equating the hate it receives w het media. it’s completely different and u have to know that.

The straights are not okay

I’m genuinely not getting what “in general” you’re talking about. Do you have some actual parameter or data that proves yaoi is 100% more problematic? Because frankly, the way yaoi gets called out for non-con, pedophilia, or other problematic SArelated stuff, I’ve rarely seen people calling out straight manhwa in the same way. There is plenty of straight media that contains equally problematic stuff, but somehow whenever we say we read yaoi, people automatically assume that we enjoy reading rape or whatever.

I literally criticize the unnecessary use of SA in any kind of media, regardless of the genre . What annoys me is the double standard. It’s insane how yaoi gets generalized and called out every single time, while the same problematic tropes in straight media are often ignored . If we’re going to criticize it, then criticize the content itself—not an entire genre or everyone who reads it. (〜￣△￣)〜

girl… cmon bffr people always close an eye when it comes to how problematic x yaoi is, BECAUSE all they care about is smut. but as soon as they try reading a josei or gl, they will criticize the most random thing ever.

for example : you know how popular yaoi manhwas are most of the times very badly written ? body proportions are not it… they look big as hell for no reason, jinx type shit. yet they never complain about how unrealistic it is. but, as soon as they read straight romance and see a big breast, they’ll complain about how unrealistic and that it’s bs. like just go in the comments of popular yaoi, ppl never say anything about how big they look, or how the smut scenes are bs. what i’m saying is from experience, i’ve been reading for years, and this is what i keep seeing from fujoshis.

yaoi is EXTREMELY problematic, lets be honest now. im not saying other genres aren’t, not at all. but yaoi is more popular, at least on here, and most of the times, half of the comics are full of rape ; incest ; SA ; or even worse stuff. and sometimes i’m the only one who calls out SA or rape bc most readers close an eye on it and pretend it’s not there just to enjoy the smut.

i’m not assuming anything. i specifically said "fujoshis", because they’re the ones who only read yaoi. not BL, not shounen ai, but yaoi. at some point, if you only ever consume MLM smut as a woman, it becomes a problem. that’s not a generalization that’s a fact… fujoshis are fetishizing MLM. again, i’m not talking about BL readers ; i read BL more than any other genre, i LOVE bl.

het media DOES receive hate. i can admit that GLs receive more hate, but even straight ppl ( fujos ) will refuse to consume het content and that’s a problem.

i mean you just have to go look in the yaoi section and you’ll find rape in literally 2 seconds. yaoi is more problematic, not BL. you guys have to make the difference between BL and yaoi yaoi is far more problematic than any other smut genres let’s be fr.

and obviously ppl are going to assume u only read and like rape when you… actually… read rape ? i’m confused

i’m not trying to pick a fight but as a manga reader the double standard is pmo. i get called a puritan and a woke fujo whenever i criticize how bl is problematic. recently, i commented under a manhwa that contained beastiality and i got shitted on. like bruh ppl don’t give a fuck about fiction and that’s a fact

Look, I'm not really that intellectual about the whole yaoi vs BL thing . For me, both are basically the same thing. The basic difference I know is that yaoi is more of an older term used for Japanese male-male works, while BL is kind of the broader umbrella term. But obviously there is a lot of overlap between the two.
And I'm not a fujoshi or whatever label you want to put on me. I literally read and watch everything -MLM, BL, yaoi, manga, manhwa, dramas, straight romance, action, literally anything if I find it interesting. So I'm not here trying to defend one specific genre.
And I'm genuinely not trying to fight with you. My point is just that whenever people online talk about how much they enjoy BL, there are always people who immediately start looking at us like we're somehow supporters of sexual assault or whatever just because we consume that kind of fiction.
You're talking about how people shouldn't generalize hen readers based on the content they consume, but then you're kind of doing the same thing by generalizing yaoi as being full of rape and explicit content. Like, yes, those things absolutely exist in yaoi. I'm not denying that at all. And I'm also not saying BL isn't problematic, because obviously it can be.
But finding a lot of problematic stuff in one section doesn't really prove that yaoi as a whole is “more problematic than any other smut genre.” That's just your experience with what you've come across. You'd actually need some proper comparison to make that claim.
And honestly, I don't really throw hate at people for what they read because at the end of the day, it's fiction. I read this stuff because it's literally just something I enjoy in my free time, especially when I want to take my mind off college and all the workload. Reading something doesn't automatically mean I support or want those things in real life.
What annoys me is the double standard. If someone reads something problematic, people immediately assume they support it, but then if you criticize something in a BL suddenly you're a puritan or “woke” or whatever Like, can we just talk about the actual content without making assumptions about the person reading it?
Anyway, I don't think either of us is going to change the other's mind through one conversation, so I'm not really interested in arguing about it. I just think you seem to have a pretty negative view of BL readers in general, and that's where I disagree with you.
Have a nice day though (︶︿︶)

i never said you were a fujo, but i’m confused by you saying people always think you’re a rape enjoyer, while you indeed do read rape. that doesn’t make sense to me.

perhaps it is my own experience, but again you’re putting words into my mouth. i said half of yaoi comics on here are full of problematic stuff. as i said, just go in the yaoi section and you’ll see for yourself…

you say it’s just fiction ( there it is … ) then complain that ppl get mad at other users for being rape enjoyers. like make it make it sense

there’s no assumption. if someone reads shota, would you think they’re a mentally stable human being ? because i wouldn’t. a normal human being wouldn’t read pedo stuff, would they ?

and you proved my point ; anytime someone tries to criticize a BL, people immediately dislike their comment and insult them. bc like i said they turn an eye on problematic content in BLs, but they don’t do the same when it comes to straight and gl romance.

i don’t have a negative opinion on bl readers because as i said i am a bl reader… i agree with not continuing this conversation, its useless and a waste of time if my words won’t get thru you and you misunderstand everything i say plus, i don’t like arguing with ppl who think everything is valid bc it’s just fiction. so have a good day you too

Damn yeah i think we're just going around in circles at this point we're clearly not going to agree on this, and i honestly don't have the energy to keep explaining the same thing in different ways. i understand your point,i would hope you understand mine, so let's just leave it here. i don't think either of us is going to prove anything to the other by continuing this conversation. no hard feelings tho, have a good day

breasts in het manhwas are so huge and disproportionate why would u choose that as an example also a guy being beefy and a woman w big breasts aren’t the same u should know that come on :(

not everyone who reads yaoi is straight tho. being queer and wanting to consume queer content just to be called a fujo is fucking insane. not saying u called me that but the amount of ppl throwing around that word are the same ppl randomly throwing around “karen”. that term used to be targeted specifically towards racist white woman but now any woman who has an opinion or who advocates for herself loudly gets called that.

what im trying to say is yes women should definitely be called out for their behaviour but the amount of insults being thrown towards women for liking and consuming yaoi is so generalised. women are so hated just for having a hobby, i don’t understand. also complaining about ppl (of any sexuality) refusing to consume het media is such a non-issue holy shit. it’s not problematic to not consume het media pls be real. it’s also not problematic to not consume yuri or yaoi. the problem is the language. these fucking het girlies wanna give their unsolicited opinion about how they couldn’t possibly read yuri bc.. bullshit reasons. it’s a preference? don’t loudly announce it. just quietly read wtv u want and don't take this as an opportunity to shit on GL.

ppl who don’t consume het media have actual valid criticisms (that aren't bigoted like homophobic rhetoric, or stupid like "all yuri has no plot" dumb as hell). examples: they don’t like media w 0 queers, suuuper valid (now don’t tell me u think it’s the same when there’s not a single straight person in yaoi or yuri…), they don’t like how women are portrayed, again suuuuper valid (i have read het manhwa btw. there's always a size diff of the woman being teeny tiny with the biggest chests and the man always bigger and taller, her being dumb af, virgin but overly sexualised, etc.—is this me generalising het manhwa? well yeah but u generalised yaoi so?).

anyway this got long but i promise u het media not being consumed is not a form of oppression. also u can’t lie and say ppl who immediately shit on yaoi or yuri don’t have that underlining tone of homophobia. the term fujos have just made it easier to shit on literally any woman for liking yaoi. even the comment op was talking about, the way they immediately jumped on op calling them a yaoi fetishist when they just said they need a gay version of that het manhwa. and girl don’t bring that reversed bullshit here bc EVERY SINGLE trope has been made in het media before. het media has been the norm for centuries so stop preaching about the hate it receives FOR being het as if it even means anything. if it receives any hate it is for other reasons, sexism, etc, and that’s valid. but complaining about big boobs is a non issue, considering the sexualisation of women literally everywhere all of the time. fucking forbid women want to see some realistic tit representation that’s not two basketballs attached to the chest

men literally get ego boosts if they’re told they’re big and women get shamed, catcalled, assaulted bc they’re big. i wouldn’t want to read het shit or yuri with massssive boobs bc why are they like that? bigger than their head while every other part of them smaller than their arm.
got long again :(

I'll go first:
You know "kiss me liar" and all of its fucking spin-offs? They all suck. All of them are trash and not worth reading. No story needs that many spin-offs, especially if the first one is just trash.

99% of “psychological” BL are just rape slop for edgy larplords

smtg about no reason, non zero sum, reverse thinking, etc. people are able to read that, and i can't believe it

unless the bottom is my type specifically, every time I see yet another bl with some super baby faced uwu short twink bottom and a buff daddy top I throw up a little in my mouth. Bonus points (or, minus points i guess) if the bottom has some tired dark bowl cut and big doe eyes

I was curious about these series so I read through Desire me if you can the other day just to start somewhere, plus I see many people say good praises. But oh my god, it's so bad I particularly didn't like the pacing. Main characters aren't particularly likable either. Side characters are all clowns and dumb. Feels like I'm reading about a circus show. Everything seems so shallow (￣∇￣")

Red String Quests could have been way better without all the smut slop. The story is actually interesting, too bad they have sex like every other chapter. It didn't have the smut tag so I thought the story would be more plot focus, but alas. They should add a smut tag lol.

no fr, I had high hopes for desire me if you can cus people said it was the best out of all the series so I read the novel, grayson is literally just constantly groveling for dane and dane barely puts in effort or reciprocates his love. I wanted dane to chase after Grayson bcuz he annoyed tf out of me, he also kept trying to cheat and it was soo annoying. Plus the rape was totally unnecessary and dane as a character felt shallow… Grayson was pretty interesting but I think a character just as evil and possessive as him would fit him better

A lot of ppl who like bratty bottoms don’t actually like them, they just like seeing the bottom say “no” a lot during sex (aka getting raped). Also bl fans don’t even know what a power bottom is anymore. Ppl will ask for power bottom recs but really they just mean a buff bottom. A power bottom is a bottom who is more dominant during sex, that’s it. Their personality outside of sex has nothing to do with whether or not they are a power bottom, it’s purely based on what they enjoy in the bedroom. Mind you, half of the time you ask for power bottom recs ppl just give u buff bottoms who get raped a lot. How can u call them power bottoms if they don’t even get the bare minimum of decency during “sex” aka consent??

older bottoms are NOT all that
in certain situations, they're quite literally grooming the top bro

i hate when a trope trends and then u see it everywhere so it's not fun anymore like younger golden retriever top x older black cat

i read bls based on if i like the uke or not, both appearance and personality. if they have the ugly ass bowl cut on its most likely that i will not read it. buff bottoms are a 99.9% skip for me. also im not interested if they look like a child or very feminine.

smut and plot can coexist, it's just that most stories are written poorly and with minimal character depth. the presence of explicit sex shouldn't detail the basic mechanics of an interesting story.
smut can (and ideally, should) be a vehicle for characterization and relationship development, and not just in the sense of sex acts getting progressively more extreme, or characters getting to the point of having sex at all.

Frrr
What happened to older tops...

Nevermind, found it
https://www.mangago.me/read-manga/to_me_who_doesn_t_love_you_team_hazama/

Oh, it can also be GL as long as it's good and gay

is the flower, I mean, seme's hair blue ? the uke's indeed a help desk tho, the title would be 동주고락 or Dong Jun's Joy or Together in Sadness and Joy, but I couldn't find it here and ever on other sites except bato :( probably because the chapters is not that many ?? here's the link in bato btw (I hate the site cus there's so much ads lol)
https://battwo.com/title/166208

my comment's gone TvT, anyway, is the flower, I mean, the seme's hair blue ? is the uke tan ? he's indeed a help desk tho, if yes, the title would be 동주고락 or Dong Jun's Joy or Together in Sadness and Joy, but unfortunately I couldn't find it here even with alternative titles, I didn't know any other sites that have it too except bato (the ads are annoying), here's the link if you want
https://battwo.com/title/166208

my comment's gone (my fault for giving other site's link TvT, anyway, is the flower, I mean, the seme's hair blue ? is the uke tan ? he's indeed a help desk tho, if yes, the title would be 동주고락 or Dong Jun's Joy or Together in Sadness and Joy, but unfortunately I couldn't find it here even with alternative titles, I didn't know any other sites that have it too except b4t0 (the ads are annoying)

Ohhhh thank you darling
Yeah the hair's blue-ish
I love youuuu

no problem pookie >v<

in my case i logged out and wasn't able to log in for few minutes lol